Capture One too expensive, Adobe a disgrace, so ON1 Photo Raw 2020?

damo_in_sale

Well-known Member
So I've been thinking of consolidating my Nikon D750 + Tamron 24-70 2.8, and all my M43 gear (Panny G80, 14-140 Power OIS, Summilux 25mm 1.4, Olly 45mm 1.8, Panny 100-300 II) into one camera- Sony A7iii + Tamron 28-75mm 2.8).

Seems the Sony offers the best of both worlds- full frame sensor and small(ish) size. The only thing I think I'll miss is the reach of the 100-300- amazing for the size.

But if I did switch over, then I'd need to upgrade Capture One to the latest version, and as I've skipped a couple that mean £300- ouch.

Considered Lightroom, but I've read that now, if you stop the subscription, you cant even use LR to view your images- that's utterly unacceptible if true.

So I'm considering ON1 Raw. It looks very interesting. Does't need a catalogue database but still 'catologues' your photos for searching etc. Stores sidecar files for edit metadata which means that you can stick the photos on a network drive and have several people viewing or editing the files at once (I think). Edit an image using the laptop and your desktop will just 'see' the edit. And they've announced ON1 Sync which sounds interesting- you can use your own Cloud based storage to sync your photos and edit them on your mobile device. I have Office 365 Home so I get 6Tb of storage for only £79 a year.

Anyone tried ON1?

 
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two2midnight

Distinguished Member
Considered Lightroom, but I've read that now, if you stop the subscription, you cant even use LR to view your images- that's utterly unacceptible if true.
It's not true AFAIK. The Develop and Map modules are unavailable but the Library DAM feature continues to function (including apparently the edit features in it). See this blog by Scott Kelby who knows a thing or two about Lightroom...
What Happens If You Cancel Your Lightroom Classic Subscription? - Lightroom Killer Tips

Some programs can either read the Lightroom catalogue data or alternatively the sidecar files generated if you tell Lightroom to 'automatically write changes to XMP'. In the worst case scenario if you are going to stop the subscription and are worried about edit changes done in Lightoom with raw files being lost just save the files as .tiffs with the edits applied to them prior to the subscription ending.

The above applies to LIghtroom Classic. I'm not sure of the position with Lightroom CC as the files are intended to be saved on the Adobe Cloud (although it can also function on the desktop) and once a subscription ends so does the cloud storage...:eek:

ON1 Raw does look interesting and I'll have to include it with my annual look at Lightroom alternatives I do prior to my subscription running out. However amazon always seems to make me an offer I can't refuse with a cheap one year Adobe Photography Plan available around the time I renew usually at a <£7 equivalent per month :smashin:
 
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wongataa

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It's not true AFAIK. The Develop and Map modules are unavailable but the Library DAM feature continues to function (including apparently the edit features in it). See this blog by Scott Kelby who knows a thing or two about Lightroom...
What Happens If You Cancel Your Lightroom Classic Subscription? - Lightroom Killer Tips

Some programs can either read the Lightroom catalogue data or alternatively the sidecar files generated if you tell Lightroom to 'automatically write changes to XMP'. In the worst case scenario if you are going to stop the subscription and are worried about edit changes done in Lightoom with raw files being lost just save the files as .tiffs with the edits applied to them prior to the subscription ending.
If you end your Adobe subscription you can still export your images as tif/jpg/etc. That is part of the Library module so keeps working. You can always export your edited images from Lightroom without a subscription.
 

two2midnight

Distinguished Member
If you end your Adobe subscription you can still export your images as tif/jpg/etc. That is part of the Library module so keeps working. You can always export your edited images from Lightroom without a subscription.
Agreed, as I said the Library module still continues to function post subscription end. My worst case scenario was more along the lines of Adobe deciding to drop/restrict that functionality in the future. Even if they did it wouldn't be a serious issue as there are ways to get round it. But the change to the catalogue in a recent update which now means an updated catalog can't be read by previous versions could perhaps be a sign of that coming in the future.
Why is Lightroom asking to upgrade my catalog and what does it do? | The Lightroom Queen

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wongataa

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You have always had to upgrade the catalogue when upgrading major versions of LR. This is nothing new. I had to upgrade the catalogue going from v3 to v4, v4 to v5, v5 to v6, and so on.
 

two2midnight

Distinguished Member
You have always had to upgrade the catalogue when upgrading major versions of LR. This is nothing new. I had to upgrade the catalogue going from v3 to v4, v4 to v5, v5 to v6, and so on.
That is called lulling you into a false sense of security. Just like a frog doesn't notice it is getting boiled alive if you start out with the pan of water cold....;)

Perhaps I am jaundiced towards Adobe at the moment as a Creative Cloud desktop app update forced upon me today has corrupted and it looks like I will have to uninstall it but to do so will have uninstall all of my Adobe aplications too. The Creative Cloud desktop app can only be uninstalled if all Creative Cloud apps (such as Photoshop, Illustrator, and Premiere Pro) have already been uninstalled from the system. Then reinstall the Cloud application followed by then having download and re-install them again.

A real pain to do when you have a slow internet connection and something which the designers of this mess don't consider when they are sitting at the end of their gigabit pipes. However I suspect the Cloud desktop app corruption is due to it requireing a later build of Windows 10 than I am running. It has in the past installed (after many hours of downloads) a new version of Lightroom or Photoshop which is incompatible with my Windows 10 requireing then an uninstall and a download of a previous version which is compatible. Adobe helpful suggestion is to do an in place update of Windows 10 or a clean install from scratch of it. All of this just to 'develop' a raw file in Lightroom :mad:

This episode may well tip me over to cancelling my subscription this year if I can find a better raw editor like ON1 Raw perhaps. I've downloaded it and a few others as well today...
 

damo_in_sale

Well-known Member
It was actually a Youtube video I saw, this one to be precise...


The first couple of minutes correspond with what you guys are saying. From 4:40 the guy is stating that the software no longer functions without a subscription- perhaps he's mistaken, I don't know. Regardless, I insist on a perpetual license for such a basic requirement as image ingestion and cataloguing.

Capture One, which I have, fits the bill for me perfectly, except for upgrade cost. Hence I'm now looking elsewhere.
 

Victoria Bampton

Novice Member
But the change to the catalogue in a recent update which now means an updated catalog can't be read by previous versions could perhaps be a sign of that coming in the future.
Why is Lightroom asking to upgrade my catalog and what does it do? | The Lightroom Queen

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Don't worry, as wongataa says, that's just so they can make changes to the catalog format. For example, when they compressed History to improve performance, they needed to upgrade the catalog version because older LR versions wouldn't be able to handle the new format.

From 4:40 the guy is stating that the software no longer functions without a subscription- perhaps he's mistaken, I don't know.

He is mistaken. The Develop module, Map module and Sync stop working, the rest carries on. You can even update to the latest version, so you continue to be able to access your catalog even with newer OS versions.
 

Johnmcl7

Distinguished Member
Capture one offer a free version for Sony cameras although I don't know how bad the limitations are, they seemed reasonable to me but I'm not familiar with the software:

 

two2midnight

Distinguished Member
Don't worry, as wongataa says, that's just so they can make changes to the catalog format. For example, when they compressed History to improve performance, they needed to upgrade the catalog version because older LR versions wouldn't be able to handle the new format.
Getting through three user names in as many hours is impressive :D
Queen for an hour only, not even a day...
I'm not having a dig by the way, I've always found your Lightroom advice and website very useful :smashin:
 

damo_in_sale

Well-known Member
Capture one offer a free version for Sony cameras although I don't know how bad the limitations are, they seemed reasonable to me but I'm not familiar with the software:


Yeah thanks, I’ve seen this, same is true for Fuji too I think. But you’re limited to ingesting photos from those manufacturers only I believe, and I have thousands of Lumix and Nikon images. I should contact customer support to see if the Sony version of Capture One can open and use my existing Capture One catalogue.

I am liking what I see of ON1 so far. I might also look at Darktable. My demo of Lightroom will be removed tonight.
 
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NSNO

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Paintshop pro 2020 ultimate is down to £48 on Amazon, it includes a raw editor and also Aftershot 3 which might be useful to you
 

compasiune11

Standard Member
I’ve used all the RAW editors out there and each one has virtues and flaws. For more serious photographers and pros, using a combination of image editing software is a must and On1 Photo RAW is a permanent part of my RAW image editing workflow. I have also used the Nik Software suite from Google for a long time but now that Google has announced that they will no longer support the software, it is a good time to look at On1 Photo RAW.

For those who are looking for a one-stop shop for their image editing needs, then this is a great solution. Photographers can get excellent results by combining all the classic elements and tools of competitive image editors along with unique features like the masking bug, layers, filters, cloud storage and editing images across several computers, and of course the Resize module. The price is also more affordable than most of the competition.

There is great online support and tons of free tutorial videos to help you with very specific tips and tricks on how best to use the software. You own the software, unlike Adobe where you are tied to a subscription model. You can however, join the On1 Plus community for a yearly fee to get access to premium content and on-demand training and instruction for ON1 apps and much more.
 

pablovi

Standard Member
Just use Adobe, it’s 9 USD a month for Photoshop, which you’ll need and lightroom. Capture One is great, but it’s very expensive and doesn't support one of my main cameras, so it’s not a choice for me.
I have a Sony A7RIII and a Pentax 645Z for my main cameras Capture One 9, the last I tried didnt even supported my fuji cameras. And you have to pay for every camera that you own! You have to buy for Sony, for Fuji, etc... Capture One is just for super rich people.
 

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