Can't find a decent flatscreen TV anywhere!

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  1. beeswax

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    Hi all this is my first post and good to see so many experts on here..:hiya:

    I got rid of my 28" Sony CRT TV a few months ago and that was the worst decision I have ever made as I have seen hundreds of flat screen TV's both plasma and LCD in many shops and showrooms and nothing comes anywhere close to that TV for live on air standard definition pics and I have tried 3 TV's in my house, ie a 32" Philips LCD, a 42" Philips Plasma and now trying a 37" Philips amblight model that was supposed to be 'stunning'...Stunningly POOR that is my view as with all the others and there is not ONE single flatscreen TV in any shop or showroom that looks natural. All the pictures are foggy, plastic, out of focus unless the camera is 6" away from the subject and reading through just a few posts I really wonder whether its mission impossible? I want the picture quality of the CRT with a 37" screensize and tbh not interested in high definition only live stuff on the box..So is there anything out there that can match that Sony CRT please?

    I have asked salesmen how do they manage to sell these flatscreen TV's anyhow as the picture quality is appalling on them all and if they can't put on any quality for sales, who can?

    However many play HD stuff on them and maybe in reality that's all they are good for and live SD is not a consideration..

    I now have a Philips 37PF9713D at the mo in the living room on a 7 day refund option and this was over 2 grand when it came out but just 1k now and it may be just the worst of the lot with colours bleeding, foggy, misty, out of focus pics and no matter how much I play around with the contrast, brightness, colour, sharpness etc I can't really get it any better...Oh and useless to watch golf as you see a trail behind the ball on the putting green..:eek:

    So IS there a decent 37" FSTV out there please ie under 1k? Many thanks..
     
  2. UKseless1

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    Have you had a look at the Panasonic offerings at 37" or even 42"? Of course a more expensive option would be to look at the Pioneers. All these are reputed to be very good handling standard def.

    Remember stepping up from a 28" to a 37" or 42" your going to see exactly how poor the quality of the signal is that the broadcasters are feeding us. You'll note that some channels are pretty good while some are just appalling.
     
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    I am on the same mission 2 years now searching. Fortunatly I did not dump my 36" Sony CRT with DRC (Digital Reality Creation) and I still have it. I learned about the TV industry,s dirty littlle secret a long time ago on this forum. HD FLAT SCREEN TV,S CANNOT AND NEVER WILL display an SD picture as well as a CRT. You are looking for something at the end of the rainbow. Salesmen will not tell you this for obvious reasons. The really ironic fact here is that my Sony CRT is even better with broadcast HD material the picture jumps of the screen and the colour is amazing, I have noticed this effect even on my crabby bedroom portable CRT. The fact is that an SD CRT tv benefits even more from HD material. The rule is if you view only SD tv do not buy a flat panel TV.Unfortunatly Joe public has no choice now CRT is just about extinct. We are all being conned. TV picture quality (at least SD) is now worse than it was in 1972. The answer of course is mainstream HD in the Uk without having to pay for it. It is getting nearer, The BBC,ITV,Channel 4 and 5 all intend to broadcast HD on Freesat in the new year. I will wait untill we have more FTA HD broadcasts before I jump in. Sorry this is no solace for you.
     
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    We are havng a discussion like this over at the CRT section. If money is no issue get Pioneer or Fujitsu......SD is awesome. BTW Philips aint exactly known for their plasma displays.
     
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    You are probably a little bit right. But I hate SD anyways. HD is where its at.:smashin:

    And before you say "there's hardly any HD being broadcast", I watch BBC HD, Sky HD and Blu-Ray movies. BBC HD is going full time soon, and many more will follow suit. I hate watching SD now. It won't last long.

    HD is now.:devil:
     
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    As above really the Pio 428xd is very good, but the PX70 Panasonics either
    37 or 42 when set up properly look superb.

    Regards ........................................
     
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    Totally agree see the bottom line of my post. Never the less what rocks my boat is that in general most of the public are not aware as you & I are of the SD/Flatscreen situation. They naively are walking into shops and buying flatscreens without realising they will be watching substandard freeview pictures on their Tv,s. Its just not right. This in fact is the root of this thread.
     
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    How do you get HD material to display on your tube? Sony did make some really excellent HD CRTs, but unless you live in Soho I can't imagine you have one.

    Tony
     
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    It takes a 100+ hours for plasma to settle down & from there even a good SD
    can look good from the right viewing distance for the size of the TV.

    To be honest Plasma should just be sold to the enthusiast & leave LCD to the folk who can't be bothered with what’s needed to produce a good picture & take care of a large screen TV because all they do is whinge & moan when they get it & then say stupid things like CRT is better up close when no one on the planet sits 2 feet from a TV anyway.
     
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    sorry you are right my tv is not hidef and cannot display a hi def broadcast, all I am saying is that when i am watching a progam (like Dr Who, Planet Earth etc) which have been filmed using hi def camera,s there is a significant and noticeable increase in picture qaulity. So Much so that I can detect progams which have been filmed in hi def even though the tv is not hi def. This effect applies to most reasonable quality tube tv,s and what it means is the higher the quality of the broadcast program ( wether it is boadcast as SD or HD) the better the tv picture picture will be (wether on a SD set or a HD set).
    I agree freeview broadcasts are compressed and can look awful on an HD display but at least they are 576i and are therefore suited to a CRT.I do not agree that freeview pictures are so bad (on a CRT). My DRC Sony has always been very good thats why I paid £2300.00 for it in 2002the point is it is getting even better as the quality of broadcast material increases. Perhaps it is the built in line doubler (DRC). In any event it is defintley 2 to 3 times better with SD than any LCD I have seen. Plasma is better with SD but still not as good as the Sony.
    The bottom line is we now have an out of date SD tv broadcast system with out the technology to display it (CRT tv,s).We need FTA mainstream HD broadcasts NOW!
     
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    Every single person that asks my advice about a new TV I tell them : get a panasonic or pioneer plasma.

    Every single person that's ignored my advice and bought an LCD instead has ended up with a display they ended up hating. Every person that bought either a panasonic or pioneer plasma was very happy.

    I have had two panasonic plasmas and at normal viewing distances they look pretty much the way I expect a CRT to: however they have perfect geometry and convergence, don't bloom or flag depending on image content, don't apply SVM to the image, don't soften off the high frequencies and don't have "terribly" oversaturated primaries.

    Dr. Who isn't shot on high def by the way
     
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    Am i missing something here?I have a lg 42"plasma and when i initially set it up i thought the picture was pants compared to my old 21"bush crt and my cheapo HD ready 26"lcd,but that was before i heard about "RUN IN"so after reading all about it i set my tv as advised and now 4 months in the picture is superb in SD.Flat panels are popular because of screen size,wall mountable and future proof for HD broadcast,and gaming.Maybe if crt manufacturers made a tv that you didnt need a crane to lift it and screen sizes came in sizes above 36"and could fit onto a wall and are HD ready then maybe they would challenge plasma and lcd in those catorgories but until then millions of us are happy with our tvs.people aint daft if we thought plasma/lcd was rubbish most people wouldnt buy.
     
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    I agree with you m8, Ive had my LG PDP for 12months are really pleased with SD from Sky+ & DVD, & its not like some of these diehard CRT people say it worst than CRT with Sky to me its equal & DVD is better than the CRT.

    But the A/H on digital spy just don't believe people when they say the plasma is equal to or better than CRT showing SD.

    To be honest im sure half the idiots on that forum wouldn't know the difference between Plasma & LCD anyway.
     
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    HERE HERE.
     
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    I don't mean to sound patronising but i'm not sure whether you watched Blue Planet on your CRT solely or whether you have infact seen it on a decent Plasma like a KURO or panasonic??
     
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    Im in same boat as beeswax - 80p of my viewing will be SD. I thought i had it sussed when reading the reviews of the new Panny40 PZ70. So i make an appointment with my local dealer to view. When i get there of course, a nice BD is showing, i ask the saleman to show me a SD feed. OMG what a load of cr**p. i cant see how ""running it in"" is going to make that SD pic look any different to the pixelated, blurry rubbish like something on my mobile phone i witnessed. Shame it looked such a nice set.
     
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    :rotfl::rotfl: I watch mostly hi-def now but when I switch over, sd looks pathetic too. Of course, the arial was good yes? Excellent reception? My freeview is excellent and actually better than my CRT. But eh, get a cheap LCD or CRT if you want to watch SD.
     
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    Broad concensus is that for the discerning, there are only 2 makers of plasma glass, Pioneer and Panasonic. It's a slightly lesser known fact that Fujitsu use panasonic glass with the best processing in the business, well worth viewing Pio and Fujitsu if you are in that end of the market. The other mistake to make is to buy a 1080p panel for SD. The 1080 owner contributing here is a self confessed HD addict, good for him, and read into that what you will! His CRT must have been poor, or knackered. And BTW if you can't find a proper demo of these, you are in the wrong shops. You are going to need a specialist, not a high st chain. Try a sevenoaks, they do the both, must be one near you.
     
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    Hey Andy, what was your old CRT ? I really like the look of the Panny you have but that SD demo today really put me off. So are you saying your SD PQ is not pixelated like something off Youtube ?? Cheers
     
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    The PZ is not that bad on SD! But if it's SD content, I wouldn't recommend any 1080 TV at all, in fact if you've no HD ambitions at all, your best bet is a 848x480 panasonic panel, the TH42PS9. It's staggering with SD, better than any 'HD ready' TV IMHO, with the only possible excetions being the 428 Pio and XHA58 Fujitsu. But it's about 1/3 of the price, so usual rules about VFM apply!
     
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    428 Pio ??? thanks youve opened a new can of worms now :suicide::suicide::suicide::suicide:

    BTW whats VFM ?
     
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    One thing that strikes me is that all the TVs you have tried are MUCH bigger than your old CRT, a smaller TV will always give a "better" picture. How far away do you sit?

    Personally I still prefer CRT for SD but the difference is not that great now with new plasmas, the size/distance ratio is very important though.
     
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    I am very definetly saying that my SD is not pixelated. I have already done a review of my TV elsewhere, and I commented about how good my freeview picture is. My last good CRT was a Sony 32" flatscreen wega. It was good, but not on a par with the PZ by any stretch of the imagination.:smashin:
     
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    I think it is-
    Value For Money.
     
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    They're also all Philips. I don't mean to denegrate the fine Dutch brand, but imho, they've been lagging Pioneeer, Panasonic, Samsung, Sony and Fujitsu by some way for a long time.

    This is an SDTV pic (kids channel on Sky) from my Panasonic

    http://www.choddo.co.uk/images/pororo2.jpg

    You can see some compression artefacts in the top left blue area but overall, it's a looooooooooooooooong way from Youtube quality.
     
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    My pioneer 508xd is stunning with sd. BBC1,2 and 3, channel 4 and channel 5 often look jaw dropping. Yes it's 50 inches, so the size does contribute to the picture quality as sensibly mentioned previously. If i use pip and pap, the smaller picture on the big screen looks sublime. i can heartedly recommend this tv to anyone. My 360 has been plugged into 5 tv's now, a 36" hitachi crt, a sagem 45"dlp, a pioneer 4270xd, a samsung PS42Q7hd (sh it), and now the 508. This tv is better than any crt i've seen, and i've seen quite a few. Trying to get a good one with perfect geometry proved nigh on impossible a few years back. 100hz made them even worse with footie and games etc. I had a sony kv32FQ75 before the hitachi, 100hz on those two was terrible, and the sony had drc too- which did't do what i expected it to. If they made a crt that went up to 50 inches, was 1365x768 or whatever it is, then maybe we could compare them fairly, but they don't. So we can't. Get the pio, it is a great screen.
     
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    I have to admit I have not had any recent good demo's of high quality plasma screens other than the comet / curry ones which usually have just an SD feed thru an RF lead !. Because of my SD hangup with plasma/lcd screens I am planning to wait untill feb/march/april 2008 when more HD satellite content will be available. I hope then to buy a pioneer lx508 1080p plasma. But Whoops! there goes another problem SD is supposed to be even worse on a 1080p screen due to the additional scaling involved. Is there any end to the problems, I suspect as I keep saying only when HD broadcasts become mainstream! Or am I wrong do the new pioneer kuro's do better scaling, and have a reasonable SD picture even at 50" ?
     
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    Just seen your post after sending mine seems you pipped me at the post and answered most of my queries What about the 1080p thing your 508xd is not 1080p do you think the lx508 will perform in a similar manner with SD
     
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    The scaling in the pioneer kuro tv's is stunning. The lx full hd versions are reported to be even better with sd than the hd ready versions ! However, they are £3500 ! Get a good demo. I think i'd go for a 768 panel now, keep it a few years, then go 1080p. You'll probably be on an 11th gen panel by then, and by that time the 50" 768 panels may have even been phased out as the move to full hd is taken across the board. Even the 42, who knows ? Pio did say all their panels would be full hd in the future. I don't know if i'd pay another grand on top of what i paid for my screen, but the lx's are meant to be really really good. have a look in the lx thread. MAW installed my screen, he is very helpful. (he does love fujtisu very much though ;))
     

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