Question Canon GX10 for one person run & gun documentary project?

Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
Hello everybody,

My name is Sasha, and I'm about to go to Japan to shoot a documentary about tourists.
I'm planning to run into people spontaneously and ask them questions, and I'm looking to buy a reliable camera that can suite this purpose.
I think that I must have a good autofocus system and a decent stabilization, cause most of the shots will be handheld.

After a long research and hours of watching sample footage from different cameras I came down to these 3 options:

Canon GX10 4K
Panasonic GH5 + 12+35 2.8
(I don't like the sony's color science and the over sharpness).

In a way I'm more attracted to go with the Canon camcorder, because of the form factor, the colors (I LOVE CANON COLORS), and the shooting style (P&S + smooth zooming) which looks a bit like home video/wildlife show, which is good for me. Canon GX10's 150mbps 4k files look really nice to me (not too big not to small) and the sharpness is much more pleasant than in the Sony cameras.
I don't really need the 4K, cause the film will be in HD - but Canon's HD looks very poor! so I though to shoot everything in 4K and then downscale it.
From what I understood, GH5 has not such a great Autofocus but the VLOG factor, which honestly is less important for me. but it looks that this camera gives you sooo many great features for the buck that it's very tempting to buy!

I don't have a chance to try the Canon GX10 before buying it, here in Israel there is no market for these cameras. I have an opportunity to buy in US though (2000$).
There is not many reviews and information about this camera in the internet, looks like it's not so popular.

I would really like to hear your opinion about this Canon GX10, and whether you think it will suite my purpose or not.
I need a reliable tool that I can trust and that won't need to deal with too much in the field, because i need to concentrate on the interactions with humans :)

Thank you in advance,
Sasha
 

chrishull3

Well-known Member
Hello everybody,

My name is Sasha, and I'm about to go to Japan to shoot a documentary about tourists.
I'm planning to run into people spontaneously and ask them questions, and I'm looking to buy a reliable camera that can suite this purpose.
I think that I must have a good autofocus system and a decent stabilization, cause most of the shots will be handheld.

After a long research and hours of watching sample footage from different cameras I came down to these 3 options:

Canon GX10 4K
Panasonic GH5 + 12+35 2.8
(I don't like the sony's color science and the over sharpness).

In a way I'm more attracted to go with the Canon camcorder, because of the form factor, the colors (I LOVE CANON COLORS), and the shooting style (P&S + smooth zooming) which looks a bit like home video/wildlife show, which is good for me. Canon GX10's 150mbps 4k files look really nice to me (not too big not to small) and the sharpness is much more pleasant than in the Sony cameras.
I don't really need the 4K, cause the film will be in HD - but Canon's HD looks very poor! so I though to shoot everything in 4K and then downscale it.
From what I understood, GH5 has not such a great Autofocus but the VLOG factor, which honestly is less important for me. but it looks that this camera gives you sooo many great features for the buck that it's very tempting to buy!

I don't have a chance to try the Canon GX10 before buying it, here in Israel there is no market for these cameras. I have an opportunity to buy in US though (2000$).
There is not many reviews and information about this camera in the internet, looks like it's not so popular.

I would really like to hear your opinion about this Canon GX10, and whether you think it will suite my purpose or not.
I need a reliable tool that I can trust and that won't need to deal with too much in the field, because i need to concentrate on the interactions with humans :)

Thank you in advance,
Sasha
Well i would not swap my GH5 for the Canon GX10,THE 12-25 is one of my lenses.If you dont want take stills which the GH5 can do while filming the Camcorder may suite you more,remember it is a lot bulkier to carry around.
 

Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
Thanks for your replies.
I've checked all this videos on youtube, that's where I got the idea about the quality, and I like it.
From the other side, I've read a lot of negative reviews by people who were disappointing from this camera (review from clients on Amazon and BH).
Maybe somebody here has this camera and can verify that this model works well without any none repeating issues?
If I buy it, I will receive it only 4 days before I start shooting and I'm a bit nervous by this negative reviews.. I feel like it's a strange decision to get this camera in 2018, but also I have a good intuition about it.
I think that I'm ok with the bulkiness. I'm not tryin to hide the fact that I'm making a movie, and a presencne of a bulky camera can even add to my interraction with people.
 

andy1249

Distinguished Member
I'm planning to run into people spontaneously and ask them questions,

Just a heads up....
Been to Japan more times than I remember...
Photography laws are focussed on the privacy rights of the individual in Japan and am a keen photographer myself.

Street photographers are commonly arrested in japan and approaching strangers weilding a camera can get you arrested under the public nuisance laws.

In japan, if you want to film someone, you need permission first, otherwise if the police become involved , you must publicly apologise and delete the data under supervision...refuse and you take a trip to the cells.
Spontaneous “run and gun” photography will get you into trouble.
 

Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
Thanks Andy,
I am aware of that.
I'm going to shoot in open fields in the nature, be respectful and ask people to sign a release.
I believe that I'll find a way to deal with the situation respectufuly.
 

chrishull3

Well-known Member
I dont know where the negative views came from,for the GH5 takes superb video with great colour,i prefer Panasonic colour to Sony and Canon.Good luck
 

Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
Thanks Chris,
I meant the negative reviews about the Canon GX10.
The thing that frightens me about the Panasonic, is that it's autofocus is not so good and behaves unpredictably.
I need to be sure that if I start to talk to somebody while pointing the camera on him/her, the focus will stay locked on their face.
I don't want to start to play with the manual focus while having a conversation.
 

chrishull3

Well-known Member
Thanks Chris,
I meant the negative reviews about the Canon GX10.
The thing that frightens me about the Panasonic, is that it's autofocus is not so good and behaves unpredictably.
I need to be sure that if I start to talk to somebody while pointing the camera on him/her, the focus will stay locked on their face.
I don't want to start to play with the manual focus while having a conversation.
True there has been some complaints about the GH5s AF,there has been two updates which has inproved it a lot,a camera will never be as easy to get top quality video as a camcorder but it has benefits in other ways.
 

12harry

Distinguished Member
It's a shame Mfrs don't provide a "Lock AF" button, so we can the best of manual and AF.
The snag with any AF system is that it's looking to change... and just sometimes, it will go AWOL and leave you with a distinct "gap" in the picture dept....
Have you thought of taking a GoPro (or Lookalike), to act as "second camera" for those moments when they stare into the camera, or look away? Being "fixed focus" there is never a time when the AF will kick-in.
+ Good info- andy1249 - I didn't have the slightest on filming in Japan. Well, well.
 

chrishull3

Well-known Member
Thanks Chris,
I meant the negative reviews about the Canon GX10.
The thing that frightens me about the Panasonic, is that it's autofocus is not so good and behaves unpredictably.
I need to be sure that if I start to talk to somebody while pointing the camera on him/her, the focus will stay locked on their face.
I don't want to start to play with the manual focus while having a conversation.
The Panasonic FZ2000 is cheaper and another great option one downer may be the wide end of the zoom is not as wide as some..One good thing you are not thinking of purchasing a non 4K model even if you only downscale it would make no sense.
 
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Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
I just got an intuition that Canon's colors are more suitable for my project.
I think it will be more enjoyable for me to see the actual colors that i want on the screen rather than adjusting other camera's colors to match the canons. I think that i want this P&S experience for myself.
I'm pretty satisfied with the demo footage that I've seen on youtube, the question is if it's a reliable device since i didn't find a lot of reviews on it.
How are the ergonomics? Battery life? Is it knwon for freezing or other issues? Can it survive a light rain (they added some fans to the camera).. Did anyone had a chance to shoot with her?
 

sound idea

Active Member
For me the dual pixel autofocus on the Canon would make this my camera of choice especially for run and gun shooting where fast and accurate focussing is required. Also it's a video camera, you're going to shoot videos, and I find the form factor and design of video cameras so much easier to use for that purpose.

I use a Canon C100 and find the dual pixel autofocus sytem an absolute delight to use - responsive, accurate and predictable.

My 2p.
 

Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
Thanks for the 2p. it's very important and supportive information.
Do you know if it can record both from the internal mic and the external mic plugged into the 3.5mm? And about the battery.. how long will I get to shoot in average on 4k 60p? (i guess its the same with the XF400 if somebody owns it..)
I'm planning to use this camera with my Rode video mic pro.
 

sound idea

Active Member
Plugging in an external mic usually switches off the internal mics, but here's a link to the GX10 instruction manual on the Canon site which you might find informative both for this and battery life.

I use the Rode video mic from time to time and I'm pleased with the results (this is the model with the red coloured lyre supports). Do you have a furry windshield for it yet? If not and you are thinking of getting one for your expedition I have to say I have been disappointed with the Rode windjammer and you might like consider getting the Rycote windjammer instead. The model number I believe is 055465 for that mic. I haven't tried it yet but I have Rycote windjammers on my Sennheiser mics and they always amaze me with their efficiency at reducing (eliminating almost) all wind noise.

Just something to think about IMHO.
 

Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
I got a Rycote windjammer for my zoom h2n but the rode windjammer for the rode video mic.
I will go and test it tomorrow on the beach, and if it won't satisfy me I will consider getting the model that you are recommending!
Do you also have a recommendation for fur for a Sennheiser lav mic?

Another question.
I think that my film will be in 30fps, because most of the festivals today won't accept 60p.
Will it be a problem to shoot 60fps and then just place it on a 30fps timeline / convert the files to 30fps?

Thanks in advance, you are helping me a lot!
 

chrishull3

Well-known Member
We are 50P but i have often recorded in 50P mode but rendered the edited film out at 25P and there is no problem ,but if slow motion is needed or a lot of fast movement is in the film i would render out at 50P,good luck with your project.
 

Sasha Tamarin

Novice Member
Is the downscaled video from GX 4k footage into FHD will be much different quality than the video from Canon G21? Maybe if the film will be screened in hd, i should just get the G21?
 

sound idea

Active Member
Do you also have a recommendation for fur for a Sennheiser lav mic?
Rycote is my go-to for windjammer solutions and they make both acoustic foam (for lighter breezes) and windjammers (for near gale force winds) for lavalier mics - check out their web site.

The windjammer for lavaliers can look like a small furry creature on the talent's neckline but I have used it in very strong winds with amazing attenuation of wind noise. Rycote have apparently introduced a shorter haired version called the Ristretto.

Others have commented on the matter of 30/60 fps. I would say that the edit project should be set up in the format you have shot at and then rendered to your format of choice when the edit is complete. It shouldn't be a problem.
 

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