can you recommend a camcorder with memory card?

joemit1

Standard Member
I'm thinking of buying a camcorder with memory card storage any wondered if anyone had any recommendations? my budget is up to around £200, are these type of camcorders available for this price?
I was after something quite small and practical. I also wondered just how much footage you could fit onto a 2gb memory card?
 

senu

Distinguished Member
Most of the "proper" camcorders which record to memory card either as SD or HD are far costlier than £200
Many camcorders which are at this price level use the memory cards to store digital stills
There are devices ( or gadgets) which record video to card but I would be reluctant to call them camcorders as their video capture ability may often not be better than that of Mobile phones or the video output (if even that ) of digital still cameras
Some MiniDV camcorders are able ( as a secondary function) to record low quality video onto card but they are much rarer these days. Even with them the primary means of recording would be onto tape
Storage capacity for 2Gb would depend on which format and what " quality" you record at and as such different for each camcorder
I would suggest you up your budget, and maybe go for an HDD model if tape is out of the question: They are all "quite small and practical " ( even the tape models ) these days
 

redsox_mark

Distinguished Member
I pretty much agree with Senu, though we are seeing more small/low priced "camcorders", some of which aren't too bad. You can get a Panasonic S10 for £244
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pl/8-889216/Camcorders/Panasonic-SDR-S10-Compare-Prices

You can read a review of it here
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/camcorders/0,39029967,49290908,00.htm

For outdoor use or with bright lighting, it's not bad, and it is very small. But for indoor/low light use it will struggle.

2 GB card will fit 25 mins at high quality setting, or 50 mins at standard quality.

Panasonic S150 is clearly better, and also small, but costs more.
 

rhubarbe

Banned
I think that for form's sake we have to discuss the Xacti. This is a range of camcorders that record to SD card (latterly SDHC too).

This one:

http://www.purelygadgets.co.uk/show...70&wysiwyg=1&gclid=CPrwprO_uI4CFRnjEAoduF6_0g

is £206 and records in "High Definition" to up to 8GB SD cards in 720p. There is lots wrong with it and purists hate them, but they do record video on an SD card and the do it in HD, so we must mention it to you. here's a review:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/hd1a.html

It has largely been replaced by the VPC-HD2:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sanyo-Xacti-VPC-HD2-Camcorder-Review.htm

Camcorderinfo doesn't like these cams but there are many that do. Go to the DVinfo forum and you'll find some fans.

Then there is this:

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/572641/art/aiptek/pocket-dv-z300-high-defin.html

which uses an Ambarella chip and records in really rather tight h.264 to SDHC card, nice and cheap, 720p but rather plasticky and no image stabilisation which in my view makes it more or less unusable.

The Sanyo's image stabilisation is not great either, but better than the total lack of it on the Aiptek.

Like the guys say, you're best upping your budget. This:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-SDR-S150-Camcorder-Review.htm

is a proper camcorder that records video to SDHC card. This one is very good, I know, I have one. :)
 

sharpcroft

Standard Member
Like the guys say, you're best upping your budget. This:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...der-Review.htm

is a proper camcorder that records video to SDHC card. This one is very good, I know, I have one.

Any chance of upping some RAW footage done at the highest quality, the samples i have seen have been converted to mpeg/avi and suffer from what i can only imagine is an interlace problem, looks like a comb has been dragged across all the sharp edges when panning quickly.
IE: instead of nice straight lines on say the edge of a building thus

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you get this kind of effect

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With a bit of raw footage i could judge for myself whether its a camera or a conversion artifact

CIA
 

rhubarbe

Banned
I uploaded a couple of clips on this thread:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612469

The chap we were talking to had experienced the same issues as you describe with interlacing. This interlacing in a viewer on a PC is caused by your not having the viewer (WMP, VLC, Nero Showtime, etc) or whatever, set to de-interlace (bob).

The clips I uploaded look fine on my PC and on Mark's.

I never shoot footage in anything other than SP (the second highest setting on my SDR-S150). At that setting I get 3 hours 45 minutes on an 8GB SDHC card.

There is no RAW setting on the SDR-S150. My files are as they vome out of the camcorder - no editing and no conversion.
 

gritstone

Standard Member
I'm thinking of buying a camcorder with memory card storage any wondered if anyone had any recommendations? my budget is up to around £200, are these type of camcorders available for this price?
I was after something quite small and practical. I also wondered just how much footage you could fit onto a 2gb memory card?

Lateral thinking... are you absolutely sure you want a flash memory camcorder?
If it's not necessary why restrict yourself (especially at that budget)?
 

rhubarbe

Banned
If he is asking about SDR-S150 he must have rethought his budget.....

I appreciate there isn't a lot of choice in SD card cams (real not toy) but Panasonic have nailed their colours to the SDHC card mast well and truly, so I'd expect more choice shortly. there are now THREE panasonic SD flash memory cams (OK, two are hybrids HDD and SDHC).
 

herbs

Active Member
I have the sanyo cg65 and like it, ok it's not the best out there but its reasonable picture quality and can take a 6 megapixel photo and can be had for £170. See here for a re-encoded capture, the actual quality is slightly higher and smoother. The new hd1000 is to released soon (way out of your price if the US $ is converted to UK £) but it might mean the hd2 could be in your range soon.
 

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