Can She Park Here?

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  1. DPinBucks

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    My daughter's just texted me this photo:

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    It's 15:30 on a Saturday, in Islington. Is she OK to park? We think she is, because the sign means permit holders only during the hours specified. But why do they have to be so bloody difficult to interpret?
     
  2. rousetafarian

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    Yes, how can this be misinterpreted?

    It’s has restrictive parameters (times) and a condition applied, outside of those times non permit holders can park.
     
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    Oh and tell her the round sign is a speed limit (just in case) ;)
     
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    Harsh but fair!:D:D
     
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    Looks pretty easy to understand? Yes, she can park there.
     
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    Thought that was a time limit!;)
     
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    Yep, twenty minutes maximum time for a lady to parallel park a car.:devil:
     
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    Personally, I think the parking signs could be a lot t clearer. In the past I have looked at them and wondered “do those times mean when I can park or when I can’t”.

    I can usually reason it based on what sounds most sensible.

    But in this case I wouldn’t have parked there. I would have looked at the times and thought “okay, outside those” but then I would have seen the “Permit Holders Only (ISD)” and think “I have no idea what that means” and not take the risk.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    IS, Islington. D probably the district reg.
     
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    But does it mean that only Permit Holders within those times and everyone else outside those times (my guess), or no parking at all within those times and permit holders at other times? But I wouldn't take the risk myself.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    Live a little Nigel....
     
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    I’ll pass, not parking in Islington, would have to pay the congestion charge.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    Not at the time in question here :)
     
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    Maybe he means the ULEZ?
     
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    I feel your pain - once got fined in the City for parking in a space that said something like "disabled only Monday - Friday 2 hours no return", because it means disabled only at all times, who can park 2 hours max Monday to Friday then as long as they want at other times. This is deemed to be clear enough, and they won't change it because it would contravene the highway code or something. Still angry about that, not even about the money...

    I think she should be alright though ;)
     
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    Or at any time :facepalm::)
     
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    Eh?
     
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    I think with this sign (and every sign) you have to break it down and realised that the top line takes priority over the second and so on.
    So, for this sign we know...
    Firstly: Its a parking area at all times
    However...
    Secondly: On a Monday til Friday only
    Thirdly: Between the hours of 9:30 til 4:30
    Fourthly: Its for permit holders only
    All other times....
    its for anyone without restrictions.
     
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    As they not stuck any time limits in it as in 40 min id take the restriction to permit only.
    The other month I went to park my car on a stretch of road near the shops as on one side there some charging post and on the road says something like Electric Cars I did not park there but on my way back someone was chatting to a traffic warden and they were asking then the same question I was about to 'can non electric cars park there?' .
    They did not know and had to call their boss and they said it was OK till it said electric cars only.
    I passed the place many time and only ever seen 1 car in the space and they were charging their car when in the past there always a lot of cars parked there.
     
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    Well I don’t know because I drive into London virtually never.

    But just had a quick google and as far as I can tell, the congestion charge operates between 7:00 and 18:00 Monday to Friday.

    So I reckon you can legally park there on Monday to Friday between 07:00 and 09:30 and between 16:30 and 18:00 and be liable for congestion charges.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    But you wouldn’t need to park to be liable for the congestion charge :)

    As soon as you cross the threshold you gotta pay.
     
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    The time in question was 3.30pm on a Saturday so the day wouldn't be chargeable - also Islington isn't actually in the zone anyway.
     
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    Islington isn’t in the congestion charge zone.
    If you do live in the congestion charge zone you pay a reduced rate. It used to be 50p a day but that was ages ago so it’s probably gone up by now
     
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    My error, thought the zone was bigger. Never encountered it in anger, just aware of it, not that I would contemplate driving into London anyway.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    The new ULEZ zone is 24/7 ;)
     
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    You need a bit of a fume belcher to be hit by it though.
     
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    I've lived in (Greater) London for 13 years but have never once incurred the congestion charge due to having no cause to drive into town. Have maybe driven in on a couple of Sundays. Did drive through on one glorious sunny evening along the Thames in a convertible I'd rented to go to the south coast. As the rental firm was in the congestion-zone they had already incurred the charge to deliver it to me so I didn't have to pay it.
     
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    Sorry boss :( :laugh:
     
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    OK, thanks guys.

    Despite the arguments here, we still think the sign is ambiguous. However, we decided that since the street is commercial premises and not residential a blanket parking ban would be unlikely, and as no other parked vehicles had any sign of permits, it would be OK. And it was.

    As others have said, Islington is outside the CC zone, which runs along Euston Road in that part of the city.

    Driving in central London is not that bad. Just remember that boxes and bus lanes are strictly enforced, and go with the flow.
     

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