Can it beat 360???

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  1. Tequila Sunset

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    Ive always sided with playstation ever since aguments with my fellow pupils in secondary school, when it was N64 VS PS but now im worried for sony. Ive had my 360 now ever since it 1st came out and I personally think its fantastic. Everything about it is awesome particular the main menu and I just cant see PS3 surpassing it. What do you guys think??!
     
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    this post will go downhill from now on:(
     
  3. Tequila Sunset

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    Yeah i thought that. I think ive hit a nerve
     
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    mate i own a 360 but am getting sick of these baiting threads
     
  5. Tequila Sunset

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    hey im not calling sony atall theyve been the dominint console for 10 years now. Ive had my best gaming experience with the PS. Im just wondering if they can do it once more. The gap is closing.
     
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    ok get you, my view is playstation will be #1 but not by as much in europe at least, in the USA the xbox will be #1 and in japan wii will be #1

    but sony really need to get that price down to below £200 as the reality if that 70% of ps2's were purchased below that figure
     
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    I think now is a bad time to try and induce a decent discussion about this. But...

    We still don't know as much as we should about the PS3 except the worringly high price point for the mass market. The 360 is doing OK - it'd be pushing it too far to say it's setting the world alight, but the fact that MS may have sold 10m consoles before Sony have sold 1 single PS3 is a huge gap to catch.

    I think it was way past time that the gaming market got shook up, and between MS and Nintendo, that may just have happened. What I'm hoping for beyond everything is that Sony respond and catch us all by surprise and make the PS3 unmissable.
     
  8. Tequila Sunset

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    To be honest, I can never see Nintendo doing anything once again. Its sad to say but I think graphics and raw power is taking over. Im stuck in the middle of the other two tho. Part of me wants Microsoft to take over as the new king of consoles, but then part of me wants Sony to blow everyone else out of the water and reclaim its title. Oh well, its awesome for the gamers:clap:
     
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    Is it perhaps fair to say that the 360 has been out long enough to warrant the purchase of a "New console" for the consumer?

    As good as the 360 is and Im in no doubt that it will get alot better, I cant help but think that people are going to look at it as the "lesser" console, much like the PS2 & old Xbox are now.

    In doing so they will then have to go with their budget on what console they choose. I only work weekends at Game but its clear to me that the "familys" are buying PS2's at the moment with the 360 still being out of the price range. This does sort of put the PS3 way way out of reach of that specific market intially.

    The 360 has been out for 6/7 months in Europe now and whilst there have been some Gems of games on it, nearly all of these games are out on the PC as well.

    I say that mid 2007 the PS3 will start to really show its strength through its lineup of games and then its just down to how much the kids can whinge at their parents as to how many they shift to that market.

    I do believe the majority of "gamers" will all go to the PS3, (if not both).

    Regards
     
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    If sony could ship 10m consoles on release day there would still be people on internet forums moaning about how they didnt manage to get hold of one. The PS3 will sell like hot cakes, there are so many people out there who will ignore any negative press, ignore the lack of really quality games and ignore the price tag and just get a PS3.

    Having said that if the PS3 was a silent console I might buy one, the only thing that I dont like about my 360 is the noise it makes, my PC is quieter.
     
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    Yes. No. Possibly. Maybe not. Potato.

    Good enough?
     
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    The big question, I think, is how quickly can Sony reinforce the PlayStation brand post release.

    When people see the console and launch titles, the novelty will start to wear off. I'm not talking about the hardcore here; Sony will sell all the PS3s they can make during the launch window. But after that, then what?

    When Joe Public sees a PlayStation 3 console sat on it's own - or worse, next to a booth with one of it's launch titles playing - next to a 360 bundle of the same price... Say, a Premium, Gears of War, Forza, and Pro Evo, plus 12 months of Live, a second controller and maybe some Marketplace points or Arcade games, what's he going to think? Even better, but a Gears of War demo unit right next to the PS3 stand.

    After the initial wave of hype, PS3 must compete with 360 on games and price. It cannot rely on the PlayStation name alone. People will actually see the games -- and that will be Sony's biggest problem; multiplatform won't look any better and first party/exclusive likely won't look as good.

    It's going to be interesting. I just think people should remember there were bigger brands before PlayStation and look what happened to them. There's nothing to say PS3 will neccessarily succeed. Sony, IMO, has all the work to do.
     
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    Can the PS3 beat the 360? Hmmm....

    Dimensions - definately, that sucka is big.
    Noise - no way, 360 ownz ya eardrums
    Cost - yup, PS3 costs way more.
    Sales - well that one is finger in the air and will really depend upon where you are judging as some countries are far too narrow minded to even consider any non-home-grown product.
     
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    Sony will be the number 1 and i'm saying that as a 360 owner. I love my 360 but there are so many people out there that will buy the PS3 because it's the next playstation. Some of the games i've seen on the PS3 look amazing and also think people will jump on the blu-ray bandwagon even though they don't even own a HD TV, sad but true.

    It's released not long before Christmas, now if you have seen Jingle All the Way with Arnie Schwarzeneger, you will see the lengths parents go to to get little "Jimmy" his toy for Christmas, the PS3 will be the in thing and everyone and their dog will want it.

    I wish the above was not the case and people could look at all 3 consoles and decide based upon what is coming out or after playing them but it's all about the coolness factor and what their friends have.

    The 360 to date does not have any game that is simply jaw dropping for the average person in the street, Gears of War etc should change that and then they can look at what other brilliance the total Xbox experience can give and where it's going and also see how many cross-platform titles are coming out.
     
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    IMHO I don't think that's true at all, the PS3 does not have the buzz going about like it ought to, it's all very quiet on the media front. In fact, every article I've seen recently via the BBC or in today's Guardian has been about how it's looking like Sony's dominance of the home console market may be at an end. No doubt this Christmas it will sell out, but I'd be surprised if Sony have even caught MS by next Xmas.

    EDIT: I realise I'm going to have to temper my statement by saying that I know the PS3 will be a great bit of kit, especially for the price, and I will end up getting one eventually. I am not saying I think the PS3 is rubbish, far from it. I'm just saying it's too high-end for the mass-market.
     
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    I'm with you there! The noise my 360 makes is unacceptable imho. If the PS3 is significantly quieter and when the price drops I can see myself doing a swap :eek:
     
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    I agree, but only if it gets rumble back, will I jump ship.
     
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    Internal SCEE Q+A from E3

    Q30. How much noise reduction level have you achieved ?
    A30. Approximately 29dB (A) (equivalent to slim-line PS2).
     
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    Can the PS3 beat the 360? Who cares....

    I've got a 360 and will be getting a PS3 and Wii too, personally I'm looking forward to the PS3 - the games, the technology etc... With regards to the 360 I'm not that impressed yet, and I say yet because I know when developers actually start using the hardware properly (tiling, EDRAM etc) we are going to see an improvement in the graphics department. Game wise if you own a decent PC there isnt much out there currently, games like Gears, Dead Rising, Forza, Mass Effect cannot come sooner.

    Also isnt the PS2 still out selling the 360, it's not as if Sony are loosing out because of the headstart.

    http://www.betanews.com/article/Xbox_360_Sales_Lag_Behind_PS2/1150211868

    Dunno what the current figures stand at?
     
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    agreed. Who cares who wins. As long as neither company goes bust (as that would mean less competition, which would equal higher prices).
    All I (and most here) want are good games.

    Personally, I'm probably gonna get a 360 later this year (gonna wait till after ps3 launch, to see if anyones doing any good deals) and then probably get a PS3 during the end of next year (when hopefully its come down a little bit).
     
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    I guess MS and Sony care who gets what market share, and developers do too. It's interesting to me because the hardware with the bigger installed bases get a wider variety of games, which is what I care about at the end of the day.

    The PS2 will for a while yet continue to outsell everything else (PS3 and Wii included) because it's cheaper with a huge catalogue of existing games. But the cheaper consoles of the next generation will eat some of Sony's market share back next year I'd guess. 2007 it's game on with the big three battling it out, and that's no bad thing.
     
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    Who the hell is still buying a PS2? And at this number of sales its not just a few consoles here and there! Kind of worrying as if the PS2 is still selling are these people going to really want to jump over to a £400 new console? Perhaps the Wii has seen a niche in the market and is priced at just the right price point.

    With regards to comparing the future of the PS3 with the past falling of the previous market leaders I think the games market is a very different landscape than it was 10 years ago. I owned a SNES rather than a megadrive but it didnt stop me buying a Saturn, and then a N64, and then a PS1 and a dreamcast etc etc... The kind of people who played games 10-15 years ago are a different type of consumer to the aberage PS2 owner. A huge percentage of PS2 owners associate the PlayStation brand with gaming, they see the other brands as slightly inferior and they will stay loyal to the PlayStation brand and buy a PS3. The brand isnt bullet proof and they can be toppled but not in this generation. I think its going to be a 2 horse race between PS3 and 360 with the PS3 eventually over taking 360 sales and then sailing off into the sunset while all us estute gamers own all three consoles and sit back and Play all the great games the PS3/360/Wii has to offer.
     
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    Okay there used to be 2 big names (saga are now fully out of the market) and then sony came alone and took the crown, because the ps2 was a giant step forward (proper 3d games).

    The 360 isn't a huge step over the ps2 and so it will come down to name and games. PS3 with backward compatability has a huge back catalog (with pretty much ever gamer owning a ps2 or ps1 and a few games) and an even bigger name (MS = computer, office and no fun). Therefore my money is on the ps3.

    p.s. i own a 360 and love it, but i don't think this race will be one by which is better than the other, it will be one by the number of titles available.
     
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    I know this has been done before, but PioRow's post 10 years ago would've read (with equally valid points):

    It's interesting how times change and no console brand has been top of the tree for more than 2 hardware generations ever... Can Sony be the first?
     
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    What? Seriously, what?

    The name 'Microsoft' isn't brandished all over the 360 console or box (not on the front of the box or even in any sort of prominent position on the Xbox), Sony is synonymous with PlayStation, but Microsoft is in no way synonymous with Xbox, it is its own brand. Xbox connotes Halo, gaming and online gaming to me and millions of others.

    In my opinion, it'll be 50:50, the US has the 360 storming ahead, selling by the bucketload - there'll be a few titles that differentiate the consoles, but really, they both have their own format for HD films, both are pretty similar in terms of power and will share most of their games between formats.
     
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    To be fair, consoles are very new to the mass market, and i would say ps1 was the first mass market console. So has a brand survived more than 2 gens, no because to 90%+ of gamers there was no such thing before a ps1.

    I was around when amstrad where at the top of the pile, but when over the whole world it only sold in the thousands, unlike the ps1 that sold in its millions in the uk alone.

    I'm afraid to say sony is cool and xbox isn't, and so will top the race again, unless something goes pair shape.

    I would also ignore cost, because once the 3 are in the shops and available to open sale (mid next year), competition will bring the prices crashing.

    MS has tried to beat Sony to the market, but by doing so has messed up with the games, after all where is halo3 or any other 'brand game'. This happened with the saga saturn, game cube, n64, comadore cd32, etc, etc, they rushed it into the shops, but forgot the games.

    Don't get me wrong i loved COD2 but it was too short, and still love oblivion (i my opinion the 360 was worth the money for oblivion alone), but these are not main stream games. The question is, does MS have an ace up its sleaves?
     
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    p.s. the 360 is only storming ahead because the ps3 isn't out. The market is changing and expanding rapidly, what selled well for the ps2 will be considered a failure for the 360 and ps3, either way everyone and their dog will have one or the other.

    A lot of market experts still think the 360 isn't selling quickly enough, to estabish it's self in time.

    If i was a betting man, my money is on the ps3, but could go either way.
     
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    To pick 2 consoles completely at random: the NES sold 60 million consoles and the Sega Megadrive sold 35 million consoles. While the PS2 is the best selling console to date, it has only recently broken the 100 million barrier (which is the total of PS1s sold). This is not the change you are implying with your 90%+ figure - it'd be nowhere close to that.

    Apparently the CPC range of Amstrads sold 3million. (All figures taken from Wikipedia).

    Maybe historically, but the 360 has redressed that to a degree.

    Aside from Pro Evo exclusivity, GTA, GoW and Halo 3?

    Seriously, it's going to get real interesting!
     
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    Interesting states, how strange that the market so much more than it was worth a mere 5 years ago. Something doesn't quite add up.

    Only 100m PS2 really surprises me, i would have thought it would have sold that in Japan and the far east alone.

    I guess the growth comes down to the number of games and the sheer cost of them these days.
     
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    EHH????

    The Xbox was a step forward over the PS2!!

    Are you sure you have an XBox 360 and not just an XBox??????
     

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