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Can anyone name a US remake that was better than the original?

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  1. PoochJD

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    Hi,

    Having just looked through the "Planet Of The Apes" threads, it got me thinking. Hollywood seems to enjoy regurgitating films, and ending-up with a pile of poop. So, if all the following are considered by the majority to be bad remakes, has anyone seen a remake that was actually good?

    Pooch

    P.S. Here is my list of bad remakes:

    Psycho (1960) = Psycho (1998)
    La Femme Nikita = Point Of No Return/The Assassin
    The Wages Of Fear = Sorcerer
    Day Of The Jackal = The Jackal
    Breathless (Jean Luc Goddard) = Breathless (1983, Richard Gere)
    Planet Of The Apes = Planet Of The Apes (2001)

    Invasion Of The Body Snatchers (1950's) = Invasion Of The Body Snatchers (1978) or Body Snatchers (Abel Ferrara's 1990's remake)

    Les Diabolique = Diabolique (Sharon Stone)
    Blow Up (1966) = Blow Out (John Travolta)
    The Vanishing (1988) = The Vanishing (Keifer Sutherland)
     
  2. PoochJD

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    Hi Again,

    Oh yeah, I forgot these as well, but these titles are more tenuous and/or debateable:



    Open Your Eyes (Spanish version) = Vanilla Sky (Tom Cruise)

    Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves (Kevin Costner) = Robin Hood (Patrick Bergin version)

    Star Wars (1977) = Star Wars IV: A New Hope (1999)

    Dracula (1930's version) = Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula

    Phantom Of The Opera (1926 Lon Chaney version) = Phantom Of The Opera (any version made since then!)

    Night Of The Living Dead (1960) = The All-New Night Of The Living Dead (1990's remake with Patricia Tallman)

    Babe = Disney's "Gordy"

    City On Fire (Ringo Lam) = Reservoir Dogs


    Pooch
     
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    Cape Fear (DeNiro) was at least on a par with the original but that's all that comes to mind at the moment.

    ps. Come on......Vanilla Sky was an absolute masterpiece.:D
     
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    But have you seen the original ? What an awesome movie.
     
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    1980 version of Flash Gordon.
    The Thing:eek:
    Bird Cage :p
    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (Sutherland):eek:
     
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    You forgot the worst one of the lot - GET CARTER with Sylvester Stallone as Michael Caine!!!! UGGHH!:eek:

    Another bad one was 'Thunderball' = 'Never Say Never again'

    And another was 'House on Haunted Hill'

    The 'Mummy' was a remake - never saw the original though.

    Michael Mann remade his own film 'L.A.Takedown' as 'Heat' which was a thousand times better!

    And talking of Michael Mann A remake of 'Manhunter' is currently underway - sounds like it could be better, but who knows?!

    Not sure if this counts as a remake or not but Gilliam's 'Twelve Monkeys' is credited as a remade/inspired by version of a french art house film called 'La Jettee' or something like that. (Twelve Monkeys = best film of the 90's IMHO!)

    What about Oceans Eleven? I alas have not seen either so I cannot comment? Anyone?

    'Desperado' is also a remake by the same director of his earlier film 'El Mariachi' - again I have not seen either.

    Loads of horror foilms have been remade: Frankenstien, Werewolf, Mummy...

    Then you have the disney remakes: 101 Dalmations, Peter Pan, Jungle Book...

    My god I can't stop now you've got me started!!!!!!!!
     
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    Out of the recent remakes (say the last 5 years) I don't think any remake could cope. Most are just trying to cash in on the success of the original, they are not made "with love", not even with some effort. Usually just a special effects galore which ends up in a pile of rubbish.

    The Avengers, Lost in Space and most of the ones you mentioned already ... god, Psycho was soooooooo bad!

    Haven't seen the original of Body Snatchers and Cape Fear but both are quite good movies. Not sure what I would have thought if I knew the original though.

    Who saw Ocean's 11, original and remake? Watched it last weekend but haven't seen the original here either.
    Not a bad movie but it isn't great either, one of those you watch and when you leave the cinema you forget about it ... until someone comes and asks a question like this. :D


    I hope, no, I beg that they will never ever remake classics like Casablance, hopefully not even try ... :eek:
     
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    Michael Mann remade his own film 'L.A.Takedown' as 'Heat' which was a thousand times better!

    I think LA Takedown was a TV movie starring less known actors. I watched it years (15+) ago on TV and found it great. Then there came Heat, saw it at the cinema and only during the movie I noticed it was familiar. At the time I found it quite slow, stretching too long and I rated LA Takedown higher. I did however buy the DVD of Heat and started to love it, great movie indeed and the shootout is a classic in it's own.
    Last year I asked a friend to buy me LA Takedown while he went to the UK, watched it and don't like it anymore ...


    'Desperado' is also a remake by the same director of his earlier film 'El Mariachi' - again I have not seen either.

    Desperado was a sequel, not a remake. Buy the DVD (R1) which contains both versions - they are both excellent movies. IMHO.
     
  9. Lex

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    HEAT/L A TAKEDOWN - Just said that!! Reiner ;)

    If your friend WENT to the UK - where are you? (polite enquiry:) )
     
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    Wouldn't call any of the above 'remakes', they're just modern adaptations of classic stories except Star Wars IV which is neither as it is a prequel to Star Wars.
     
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    It's actually the original Star Wars made into a 'special edition' and renamed so the prequels could be made and milk some more money for Fat Boy Georgey.

    As for bad remakes:

    'Point Break' remade into 'The Fast & The Furious'.
     
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    I agree about the re-make, moderately entertaining but easily forgotten. The original on the other hand, awful. Contains such classic lines as "Give it to me straight Doc, have I got the big casino?" while looking at the cloudiest X-ray I've ever seen. Very cheesy.
     
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    what about the Haunting. the 60s version was much better. I also agree about the THING. cant beat the 50s version. Better still. VANISHING POINT was remade in a crappy tv movie. The origianl is about the best car movie you will see.
     
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    I seem to remeber it being called Episode IV many many many (15+ years) before the prequel was ever thoguht about. It always was the 4th part of a 9 part story.
     
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    The magnificent Seven is a superb remake of the Seven Samuria.

    Is it better??

    Well, I think it is!
     
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    Personally, I think The Thomas Crown affair remake was better......
     
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    Hi,

    Well folks, you've done me proud! :blush:

    Just to clear-up a couple of things, though:

    1) "Desperado" is technically a sequel, as far as Robert Rodriguez is concerned, though many critics and fans claim and suggest it to be a bigger-budgeted remake. However, for the sake of sanity in this thread, I think we'll have to discount it as not being a remake, unlike many of the others we've all mentioned.

    2) "Star Wars" (1977) may or may not have been known as "A New Hope" since day one, but this isn't technically accurate.
    As far as I know, people always refer to the 1977 version, as simply "Star Wars". Yet, on the opening credits, it says: "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" both on the 1977 version, and the 1990's re-edit. Despite this, the new re-edit still has to be considered as a remake, for George Lucas did add new material, modify certain scenes and dialogue, and released as a "new" movie. If it had been called "Star Wars: The Director's Cut" then fair enough, but it wasn't, and as such, I have to recommend that it SHOULD BE classified as a remake.

    I guess the "Robin Hood" films aren't technically remakes, more revitalisations of old stories, so you lot are right in saying they should be discounted from this thread. As for "Thunderball" being remade into "Never Say Never Again", I'm not really sure that would be classifiable as a direct remake. It certainly looks very similar, and has some plot elements that are mightily uncanny, but not really a remake.

    I agree with "L.A. Takjedown" being remade into "Heat", as that was certainly the case. As for "Manhunter", I guess we could include that one, but technically it's only an idea, and not a reality. As such, it would be unfair to label it a remake, until it gets made and released. I certainly understand its inclusion though.

    Two more for the list:

    The Shining (Kubrick) was recently remade into a two-part TV Movie of the same name, with Rebecca DeMornay.

    Wasn't Madonna's "Shanghai Surprise" also a remake of something? Ditto with Stanley Kubricks "The Killing"?

    Pooch
     
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    I heartily agree with the Thomas Crown affair - original: nothing to write home about, but the remake - now that's a nice classy film, and I loved the idea of bringing in Faye Dunaway as Pierce Brosnan's therapist!
     
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    Hi Lex
    Reiner comes from Taipei, Taiwan. Tip just click on the profile button.
    Hope this helps.
     
  20. Lex

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    Talking or Kubrick wasn't LOLITA remade with Jeremy Irons recently?

    Does Peter Jackson's LOTR qualify as a remake of the 70s *shudder!* animated version? Probably not as it is based on an earlier book. Same goes for 'Frank Herbert's Dune' I suppose?
     
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    Hey, what's wrong with this, other than weedy ending. I thought the whole film had a very eerie scary feel to it, the title animation was a good idea and using Marilyn Manson music was good too. If you turn it up loud you can hear all sorts of weird sounds that make you look around, really good 3D sound I think. This film was much better than the original.:)
     
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    OK - ultimate crap remake of recent times for me?

    Gone in 60 seconds.....absolute pants beyond all belief. OK, so the original was acted poorly (the lead was a stuntman/actor/producer/director fer Chrissakes), but at least the original had *gasp* proper car chases in it...or to be more accurate, one enormous chase that lasts about 42 minutes or so.

    The original was just a stripped-to-the-bone car chase movie....why couldn't the remake have at least tried to have a bit more action in it?

    The stunts in the original are most definitely dated now, but I got the remastered R1 DTS version as soon as it came out, and it knocks seven bells outta Nic Cage's *ahem* "effort" - simple and effective. There's a lesson to be learned here: if you're gonna do a film about car thieves, forget the posturing and pondering and just have some damn good action.

    If you actually stop and think about it, how the **** did they manage to make the remake so utterly devoid of action and excitement...talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

    Sheesh!

    :mad:
     
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    I thought the begining was good Thor - it was very eerie.
     
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    Sleepy Hollow was better than the original, definitely. Keep up the good work Tim Burton, brilliant director who does not go out of his way to please the American audiences with all that gung ho american patriotism. I wish some of those other directors would be a little different, more realistic. Some of these american films now are like 2nd world war PROPAGANDA films.:D
     
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    Don't know if these work, but:
    It! The terror from beyond Space = Alien
    The HIdden Fortress = Star Wars
     
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    Reiner comes from Taipei, Taiwan. Tip just click on the profile button.

    No, Reiner lives in Taipei, Taiwan (you can also see it below my name under "Location").
    He comes from Niederkruechten-Elmpt in Germany, better known to UK citizens as the base of the RAF Brueggen. :p
     
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    "Desperado" is technically a sequel, as far as Robert Rodriguez is concerned, though many critics and fans claim and suggest it to be a bigger-budgeted remake.

    Perhaps the critics are wrong. The story is continued (trying to take revenge, has a scar in the hand from the shot in the prequel ...) and has flash-backs to the first part (killing of the gf ...), so it's IMHO definetely a sequel.
    As I understood "El Mariachi" made RR famous and hence he was given a big budget to make another movie where he choose "Desperado" as a sequel to "El Mariachi".
     
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    Sorry Reiner if I trod on your toes, I was only trying to help Lex. Sorry if it sounded if your nationality was wrong, my mistake, if I was asked where I was from would give my address not the place of birth.
    I saw you had put the place where you was living at present under your name, but as not all people do this so I thought it would be helpful to and anyone else reading the posting, to point out the profile button.
     
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    Jason and the Argonauts, film better than the TV remake even though I think the TV movie was closer to the original story!
     
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    Garrett, no worries, I didn't feel offended in any way, even you would mix up my nationality or actual location. My response was more meant in a humerous way. I met quite a few British people who actually know my hometown due to the presence of the RAF, they either served there or at least heard about it.

    (Just to add: in German "where do you come from" refers strictly to you point of origin, i.e. where did you just come/arrive from or where is your home town.)
     

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