I'm looking for a DVD recorder to do 3 things and I'm considering the Panny E65 at £230 from Richer Sounds: (1) Simple archive from my Sky+ (I have no interest in editing out adverts etc) (2) Acting as an RGB to component converter i.e. take an RGB feed from Sky+ and output component to my Panny 36PD30 TV. (Its a long story but for some reason there are various problems with the RGB inputs on this TV) This appears to rule out any of the current crop of Pioneers. (3) Recording from a camcorder via DV in to DVD-R. I realise that without a HD I wont have many editing possibilities on the E65 but I was wondering exactly what options I would have. i.e. can I just dump an entire camcorder tape (or two) to a disk and then edit out the sections I dont want. Having tried video editing on the PC I realise that all I really need is very simple editing facilities. I dont care about moving thumbnails, any speial effects between scenes, choices of menus, etc. I did consider the Panny E85 but this has no DV-in or the Tosh 32, but some people have reported problems with PQ using the Tosh with my model of TV. The Panny E95 is more than I'm willing to pay. Wha is the drop in picture quality/reduction in editing options if recording from a DV camcorder via S-video? If it is very little then I may consider saving £60 and getting the E55 instead.