Calling PIONEER DV 868 iS owners - issues, problems etc

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  1. MJeeves

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    Hello,

    I’m gonna be purchasing a HDMI compatible HD capable display device in the next few months and dealers have recommended the PIONEER DV 868 iS as a great partner. I know that a lot of so called “great” DVD players sometimes have either “quirks”, firmware issues, playability issues or artefacts (CUE etc) that the players introduce into the picture.

    Therefore, I am calling all PIONEER DV 868 iS owners to please post any issues, problems or information that I would find helpful as a person hoping to purchase this player.

    Thank you,

    M.J.
     
  2. John7

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    I dont know about connecting the 868 to non PIO displays, but I am using it with PIO 434 and it is fabulous. Ive only had it a couple of weeks but have no probs to report at present - for comments, have a look here http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142624.

    One slight moan when using HDMI is that you cant alter the screen size i.e the aspect is fixed when using HDMI and display zooming no longer works - the picture is displayed at the discs native format. However, the quality of the picture compensates for this

    John7
     
  3. kocl

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    I connected mine yesterday via hdmi/dvi to a lg plasma and the picture is fabolous.
    The difference between components and digital is like night and day
     
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    I can reccomend the 868. There is a issue with the HDMI match up to a Sony HS20 pj which can be fixed with a firmware mod (free). I have a HS20 but I only had this problem when I first setup my system. I fiddled with some cabling and "hey presto" no more probs. I havent bothered with the mod :)

    And the difference between component and HDMI :eek: Awesome :rotfl:
     
  5. MJeeves

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    Thanks guys. Anyone else wanna chime in? Anyone?
     
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    I had one & got rid of it after a week as the HDMI would not work with an Infocus 7200; I believe this is corrected via firmware in newer players. A very good DVD player though.
     
  7. MJeeves

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    Anyone else? There has to be more of you out there that own this player?
     
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    :hiya:
    Mine's partnered with my 504 and AX5i and I've had no problems whatsoever with it.
     
  9. MJeeves

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    Thanks for your replies guys.

    Does anyone know if this player suffers from "CUE", the "Chroma Noise Bug", "macroblocking" or any disc incompatibility problems (firmware issues etc)?

    Thanks.
     
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    I am disappointed that the layer change on the 868 is no quicker than my 5 year old DV717...it's still that half-second.

    Although it's still way quicker than my 11 year old CLD-1750. :p
     
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    Layer change is so slow, and it does suffer from CUE on some discs.(in much the same way as the denon 2900 does as they use the same chip) It is not a chroma bug free decoder but better than previous models.

    No macroblocking, sound via i-link is very good but not the best, Playes every disc with no issues, HDMI pic is fantastic though Denon A11 dvi was better in most cases(I dont like the 868`s component image much)

    I use one at present, but will be getting shot off it for another Denon (as long as macroblocking has gone)coz i cant stand the layer change, its the worst ive seen. But otherwise very good
     
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    Watched "The Passion of Christ" last night. Its the kind of movie that DVD players hate, loads of dark and misty scenes. I was looking for artefacts and didnt see any signs of it, even during the darkest/mistiest bits :thumbsup:

    Thats via HDMI if that makes a difference and Im sure it does :laugh:

    Also the layer change is a little slow, but no worse than many :)
     
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    Yes, its ugly :)

    However, there is a lot of "useful" information in there if you can stand the pain. I personally wasn't aware that the layer change was "so bad"... I am demoing one later today so I will definitely keep an eye out for this. Otherwise, it looks the perfect player (assuming you're not one of these chroma bug obsessive kind-of-people).
     
  16. MJeeves

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    What's the latest on the new DENON A11 replacement? I hear it has BOTH HDMI and DVI and is "chroma bug" and/or "CUE" free? The macro-blocking would be an issue for me (as I notice stuff like that (especially on a big screen)). Also aren't DENON players known to be finnicky about some discs especially after multi-region mods??

    Thanks for the reply's and links guys. Really appreciate it.
     
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    you can strech the screen if you have the screen and dvd payer on 768 (i think its this one )

    i have the 868 and a 504 with the ax5i no problems at all :smashin:
     
  18. MJeeves

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    Is the U.S. Pioneer Elite 95AVi the same as the Pioneer 868AViS then?
     
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    59 avi is the same as 868i
     
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    It doesn't seem to output PAL dvi as it should, I found out that you just get colored snow patterns on a Panny TH42-PWD6EX, where a Denon DVD-3800 (I believe) gives a good PAL pic, in both cases @ 720x576p (50Hz).
    NTSC is excellent thru DVI, can anyone confirm they succesfully fed a PAL disc to a Panny with DVI board?

    Also, there's no memory, and still no switchable sub crossover frequency.
    The 5.1 analogue sound is OK, but the stereo sound is terribly harsh and treble accented, despite a lot of blabla about hi-bit and such.

    The only way to get decent stereo out of the thing is by adding a twin cable to an unused input of the receiver and setting all to DIRECT.
    In fact, stereo sound is then excellent, although not quite as good as from my Arcam CD82t.

    LCD is unreadable from any distance from 10 cm...and the box gets damn hot too.

    Barend
     
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    Just curious but what is hdmi and dvi ? is it anything to do with the vga input on the back of most plasmas. Sorry for the ignorance and the slightly off topic question.
    Dave.
     
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    The problem is with the Panasonic DVI blade.

    This is one of the majour ups of the pioneer that is DOES pass pal at 50hz via its hdmi connection at all 3 resoulutions. This is confirmed by my PJ. Where as my Denon A11 was fixed at 60hz for pal over dvi(although i think thats now been fixed)

    Does the 3800 even have DVI as this is an old model denon is it not?

    On top of that the 868i is HDCP protected and im not sure if the panasonic blade is HDCP compatable. If its not then you should not get a pic anyway
     
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    Here you go Dave.
    http://www.digiupdate.com/G002_DVI_HDMI_and_HDCP.html
     
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    Yes the manual says it's hdcp compatible, must be too because ntsc works fine. Bought the display last October when I knew squat about dvi, components was my revelation at the time!
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    Davidsheeky

    HDMI and DVI are just digital connection used for sending the pic from dvd player to tv, so think of it as a digital scart lead.

    DVI is more of a computer format and has some limitations.

    HDMI is more home cinema friendley and is the better format. DVI and HDMI are not the same, but HDMI is backwords compatable with DVI as long as it is HDCP protected.(HI DEF copy protection) there for you cant just plug a dvd player with hdmi into a computer monitor or any dvi socket and expect to get a pic.It must be DVI HDCP.

    HDMI can also pass audio over the same lead, but this has yet to be exploited properly.

    HDMI and DVI when done right and kept in the digital domain produce a very clean, noiseless, well defined pic
     
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    gandley, brogan, I take my hat of to you sirs :smashin:
     
  27. MJeeves

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    gandley,

    Do you know if DENON have corrected all the quirks, macroblocking, firmware (disc problems) with the new A11 replacement. Sorry to ask this in a PIONEER thread but it's gonna be one of these two players that I'll go for, and I know you have some DENON insight.

    Thanks bud.
     
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    I have not seen a unit in front of me to say for sure, but from info i have got macroblocking should not be an issue with either the 3910 or the 5910.(denon didnt want to repeat that oversight) but until i see one in the flesh i would not bet on it.

    They are however supposed to further better the pic of the A11 when HDMI is used(even the 3910, which is quite excellent)
    But again only words at the mo. as soon as i get to see one then i can be sure.

    As for firmware that seems to be part of the fun with denon, but its a dodle to install new firmware. My A11 played every disc i stuck into it. never once refused. I just didnt like the macroblocking as a projector does exaggerate the problem.
     
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    Thanks! Keep us posted. If they can iron out the creases the 5910 should be an all-conquering player. Let us know what you hear.

    Thanks again. :thumbsup:
     
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    Some members have both the Pio 868AVi (=DV-59AVi) and the PDP-504 (=1110HD in N.America). I'm wondering about scaling a DVD image (using HDMI). Do both Pio units have the same or similar scalers? Does it make sense to scale twice, i.e. upscale on the 868 to 720p (1080i seems illogical, you'd simply have to scale way back down), then let the 504 further scale (just the horizontal) to native res of 1280x768? Or does it make more sense to, e.g., output "direct" data on the 868, and let the 504 do the whole scaling job? With high end (and twinned) units like these, I worry about over processing.
     

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