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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by tan1415, Jan 23, 2003.

  1. tan1415

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    CHT 10 couldn't be delivered overseas..to bad.A 2nd hand subwoofer it must be.
    It's really scary buying a secondhand sub...they are still pretty high investments and I hate to discover I have a bought some brokendown junk. Buying secondhand is always risky because you can't exchange it.(garantee is still valid luckily)

    Could you tell where and what to look for? In most cases I'll be able to listen to it....but they will not be ideally setup I guess.I'll bring some of my test CDs/DVDs so that I could really test it's sound. But that's all i can think of. Could you tell how I can notice if the Amp or the woofer is damaged? A humming, buzzing sound?



    Hope you can help me out here....
     
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    Buy the CHT-10 and you will have no worries m8, secondhand is a viable option but only if you can collect IMO. The UK's courier companies are the World Cup holders in Carton Football :)
     
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    I have no experience of the CHT-10,but as for buying secondhand,with most quality gear,especially within warranty,you will have few problems.

    Always try to listen to or at least see the equipment prior to buying,although this may be difficult if using somewhere like ebay.

    At least look at ebay...you may well find someone with what you want living within range,and frequently you will find good offers.
     
  4. tan1415

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    My question is not about HOW/WHERE i can buy a Subwoofer.
    But more like how I can see if a Subwoofer is in good condition or not?
    Just like buying a second hand car...what should I look for when buying a subwoofer?
    I guess I shoudl at least hear it and test it using my own DVds/CDs and also get as much paperwork(garantee,books,extras ) as possible included.

    My problem is how I know if the sub is techically in good shape or that the guy is selling me a broken down junkheap.
    Any telltale signs? I guess smoke coming out of it..or the sub emitting no sound at all is a definite NO-NO. but what about if the Sub hums or the woofer crackles? Are these all telltale sign that the Subwoofer is a piece of junk?
     
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    They are probably telltale signs that you shouldn't buy the sub, but may or may not be normal for that particular model.

    Checking for obvious damage and rattles coming from the sub should be the first thing you do. Then to be honest, you should just listen to it and see if you are happy with the sound it generates.
     
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    Guess I misread your post....anyway first things to look for are physical condition....has it been scratched,marked,damaged etc.
    You'll want documentation,proof of purchase etc and the guarantee if valid.

    Any untoward noises should be viewed as a No-No.

    Bring a couple of discs with known LF content,and use them to test the Sub.

    If in any doubt....dont buy.
     
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    Insect the driver obviously! Check if the rubber surround is torn.

    Also push the driver in a little bit (use both hands and press gently down)

    If there's a grindy feeling it's knackered.
     
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    Nathan,

    Thanks for the advice. i am looking at a secondhand storm right now.
    Anymore good advice on checking the subwoofer?

    PS maybe you can tell me how I can see the difference bewteen a Storm II and a Storm III

    What's the difference?
     
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    Apart from connections nothing much, oh and there was never a MKII Storm, went from MK1 to MK3. www.rel.net
     
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    I have a Storm V1. It just says Rel Storm- it has three XLR inputs.

    As you can see, V3 has "III" after Storm!

    http://www.rel.net/products/StormIII.shtml

    The Storm is a very good sub, but it can struggle when pushed hard for .1 LFE. For music though it's a very nice sub.

    How much have you seen one going for?
     
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    In wood veneer....about 500 GBP. slight damage on the wood
     
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    Add to Nathans post, that later MK1 models lost the XLR connections in favour of Phono jacks. And the bracing was improved internally. I have owned, Storm (XLR) Storm (phono) and Storm MKIII, I have run two together also. A Great sub, that needs very careful positioning and set up to get the best from them.

    Used prices; MK1 £150-250. MKIII £200-400. Would not pay anymore than that for them. (Unless it is a wood finish, which you should add about £40 )
     
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    Tan1415 where exactly are you that shipping is such a problem?
     
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    I am from the Netherlands.
    believe it or not....shippijng from the UK is just ridiculous.
    It's cheaper to ship something from the USA than the UK.

    Thanks you all.
     
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    OK mate i just wondered if you can ship from US then do so top gear is a lot cheaper out there!!!!
     
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    Yeah I saw the Pioneer 656 DVD player for just U$ 130,-
    Teh difference is HUGE.
    I know the problem is that it's NTSC/r1 player..easily reprogrammed. The problem is that it's 110 v. You think the shops there can sell the european version for the same price?
    Or a modified US version?
     
  17. Steve.EX

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    tan1415

    All things being equal, the Rel in it's original packaging should quite happily survive the shipping.
    If nothing else Rel's (the Storm i am very familiar with) have a bombproof construction and in my opinion it is the driver polw piece/voice coil arrangement that is most at risk from disturbance, that said as i recall it is a volt driver which can be considered as a well engineered unit.

    Visual inspections should include corners and joinery, as i recall the driver lives behind a metal coverplate and is unlikely to be easily vandalised.
    For testing i would simply repeat a 200 - 20hz tone at increasing volumes.
    The Storm will only drop to around 28ish hz before rolling off but you will be able to acertain any problems with relative ease.

    Humming may not be neceassarily be attributed to the sub (earth loop) but when connected to the mains with no connection to the amp/processor the unit should be quiet.

    Be aware that earlir Rel's were famous for their VERY leaky crossover's with leakage (audible) right up through to high womens vocals being discernable.


    Steve.
     

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