Buying an EV

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  1. KyleS1

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    My wife and I are very environmentally conscious and have decided that when we replace her car, that we will look at getting an EV.
    She quite likes the leaf. I quite like the i3. Both are more than we had originally planned to spend on replacing her car.
    I don't mind paying a bit more for the environmental factor and then saving on road tax and fuel costs, but I'm a little bit apprehensive about buying second hand.

    What do I need to look for and what should I avoid?
     
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    @DrPhil has bought both these vehicles second hand if I remember rightly.

    Very early Leafs had tracking issues at the rear so look out for scrubbed rear tyres, or suspiciously new ones :).
     
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    First of all, I would give up meat. That possibly does more damage to the environment than most other things in your life. I would also turn your back garden into a mini farm. It is amazing what you can grow in this country. The look at switching your energy supplier to a 100% renewable one, such as bulb (I can get you a £50 code:)). Stop drinking bottled water and stop using planes. Now once you have done all that, buy an EV:thumbsup:
    (P.S this is sarcasm, it is amazing how many people say they are environmentally conscious and do all the above).
    First of all what is your budget? It is hard to give recommendations without knowing.
    20k? Get a Zoe, if you like them.
    25k? Maybe wait until VW and Peugeot release EVs in early 2020. The e2008 (link Peugeot e-2008 electric SUV: pictures and details revealed) and e208 (link All new PEUGEOT e-208 | Electric Cars | Peugeot UK) are both good looking cars (IMO) with the latter hopefully coming i closer to 20k than 30k
    Less than 20k? Still might get a Zoe (I have been quoted 18k on carwow without battery lease) but the second hand market is more likely. I would say with EVs would be to check the battery. The motor should be reliable (motors have been around for decades) and then the usual second hand car issues (brakes, tyres, suspension parts)>
    In theory an EV should be more reliable than an ICE, as it has less moving parts and runs a lot cooler.
     
  4. KyleS1

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    I already grow veggies. I fly once a year. I’m already with bulb. I don’t drink bottled water. Now I need to buy an EV. (I’m not giving up meat but don’t eat diary anyway)
    :D

    Budget is definitely in the second hand market. Looking around £10k. Give or take. If it can be 100% justified, it could be stretched. Just trying to work out what I need to spend to not buy a lemon.
    I guess the early good deals on buying new have gone now. I see the govt £3.5k is still there but new ones are mega bucks.
     
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    Plenty of leads around that price, and Zoes but most will be battery lease.
    As I mentioned, I had a quote for a Zoe for just over £18k without battery lease, probably the cheapest decent range EV available
     
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    You might be able to get a decent deal on a new Zoe as they’ve just shown the new one.

    Depending on your driving perhaps a plug in hybrid may be better?
     
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    2nd hand for under 10K?
     
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    Beware second hand i3 out of warranty. There have been issues with the early cars especially the red but also the Bev. The BMW extended warranty on the i3 is eye watering at £1500 a year

    I love the i3 but would not touch one without a warranty. Any little thing goes wrong and you are in for a world of pain financially.

    (Never had a leaf so cant comment on that)

    Would say with a restricted budget don’t rule out the Zoe you get a lot of car for the money (by EV standards)
     
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    I think that was stretching the budget to get a new one on a deal.
     
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    At the moment it’s hard to justify the price over a decent small engined polo.
     
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    That’s good to know!
     
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    My wife does ~6k miles. All short journeys.
    Hybrids are another minefield.
     
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    Plug in ones have c30 mile electric range so could be a good alternative. Vauxhall’s Ampera, Prius.

    Or perhaps one of the “self charging” ones as there’s bound to be a decent used market now.
     
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    Maybe the OP should look at that. He could probably pick up an Outlander for around that price, I believe the electric range is circa 25 miles
     
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    I want a small car as it is for my wife for school drop offs etc. My car will be the "big" car.
     
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    Just had a quick look on Renault site - used Zoe from £6k but think you lease the battery.

    Does she like the look of the first gen leaf? Probably within budget too.

    Yaris Hybrid could be a simpler option?
     
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    Yeah she does like the first gen Leaf.
    I'll check out the Yaris hybrid but not sure she'll go for it. :(
     
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    How many/what age are the kids to be dropped off?

    If it's just the one kid, or more than one smaller kid, and she fancies a bit of fun in a hybrid (I know the others will be getting bored of me pointing out this car), but the Honda CR-Z is available quite cheaply (starting at around £4K for a 10 plate).

    My lad has one as his first car - it is really a 2+2, so no good if you have more than one large child (think 15+) but fine if you're just dropping off the one, or more if they're smaller. The GT is the spec to go for, over the Sport, as it has heated leather seats and a panoramic sunroof.

    New & Used Cars for Sale - Auto Trader UK

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    https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/the-clarkson-review-honda-cr-z-2010/

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  19. KyleS1

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    I already ran this by her when you posted about your son buying one. She said no. I'll try again though as I like them.
    My kids are (almost) 8 and 5.
     
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    :) Your kids would fit in the rear quite comfortably for the next few years - so could in fact fit all four of you in. My lad has driven with me in the passenger seat, and my wife and other lad in the back - though I did have to pull my seat forward quite a bit to fit the missus in behind me.

    Of course, if you like them, you could have one for yourself, and let your wife have the 'big car'. If it weren't for my predilection for soft-tops, I'd have bought myself one by now as my airport car - with the rear seats down, the boot is quite impressive for such a small car.

    Handling wise, it reminds me of my old Renault 5 Turbo, though without the oomph! (It actually has more power than than the R5 Turbo, but also weighs twice as much)!
     
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    My wife has the big car now and wants to change to the smaller car. It makes sense too.
    Just watched that video. For the reasons we want to swap to a hybrid/EV, it doesn't really have any other those benefits. Not great mpg. I'll do some more research.
     
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    She isn't as keen on the Zoe but I will keep working on her. :)
     
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    Yeh, it's an environmental car, without being particularly environmental! You can certainly get cars that will do better mpg - my lad seems to average high 40's going to school/sailing club and back, all short journeys of less than 10 miles a time. On a run, you can get 50+ out of it, but it's never headed towards 60 - which other small cars can do nowadays.

    Personally, I only do around 4000 miles per year, so only around 400 litres of diesel fuel, and it's why I'm not bothering with an EV - any fuel savings made don't stack up against the purchase price of a more efficient car - indeed, I'm probably going to buy something outrageously inefficient for my next car, as a couple of hundred quid a year difference in fuel costs isn't worth driving something drab that I don't enjoy.

    My wife, on the other hand, does more like 15,000 miles per year, and so an EV will, at some point, make sense, as fuel savings will quite quickly add up to a worthwhile amount.

    I am, of course, looking at this, purely financially; as you're looking to reduce your carbon footprint, then a case can be made for spending more money to do so - I am not in that position though.:(
     
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    I didn't get the notification that I was tagged, apologies I'm late!
     
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    At under £10k, its an older Leaf or a Zoe.

    Personally I don't like the Zoe, but you'll definitely get a decent Leaf for that price. I sold mine last October for just south of €10k, it was an April 2014 car, top spec (Tekna) with 60k miles on the clock.
     
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    What was the battery capacity like by that mileage?
     
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    When I sold it, the battery was at 84% capacity and I was getting 65 miles on a good day.
     
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    This is my issue with EVs. You really need a new one to make it worthwhile but they are mega bucks. As much as I would like one, I’m leaning towards a small petrol car again. :(
     
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    How far on a bad day? (I presume winter hits the mileage)
     

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