Built In 5.1 Decoders

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  1. mickeyc

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    Can anyone help
    If the DVD player I'm considering buying i.e Toshiba 210 has a built in 5.1 decoder do I still need to add a receiver to this i.e Yamaha HTiB 40 or can I just add home cinema speaker package to the Tosh.
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  2. Ian J

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    The Toshibe 210 does not have a built in decoder.

    If a DVD player has a built in decoder it means that you do not need a Dolby Digital amp for 5.1 sound but can plug the player into a Pro Logic amp if it has the six channel socket on the rear.

    Almost all modern amps are Dolby Digital as it no longer adds to the price and the Yamaha HTIB 40 is hard to beat for the money
     
  3. nickelks

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    I think what mickey wants to know (and I do) is - does he need to get an amp or can he just buy speakers and connect them direct to the DVD player?
     
  4. Ian J

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    You need an amp as the output from a DVD player will be very low level (as CD or tuner etc) and needs to be amplified.
     
  5. pointon

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    The amp needs to drive the speakers. The amp's job is primarily (very basically) to provide the required power, wattage, to make the speakers work.

    You only need an amp if you actually want to hear something.
     
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    As Ian says, he needs an amp.

    Built-in DD-decoders are of absolutely no use to you unless you have a pro-logic amp with 6-channel input. These were popular about 3 years ago before DD was as affordable, but I don't know if anyone makes one these days. I'm amazed there are still as many players produced that have built in decoders. I can only imagine a fraction of their owners use them.

    Cheers,
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  7. mickeyc

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    As always thanks for the input.
    It can all be abit confusing when your'e starting out.:)
     
  8. Ian J

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    Sometimes we tend to forget that.
     
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    Liam: We've got some. they are called Arcam AV50's, DPL only with 6ch input, 50w ch. £199 each.

    Personnal callers only.
     
  10. Nic Rhodes

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    AV50 was a very accomplished amp in it's day. £200 seems good value.

    Internal decoders (actually the best place to have them) are often underrated, it is all down to how they are implemented. Don't forget these cheapo chipsets used by the DVD players cost pence but they can produce real quality (the same chip set is used in the high end Krell!). Often it is down to quality of the analogue output circuitry.

    I used to have a system that had valve buffers (X10Ds) between the 5.1 DVD player output and a 5.1 input on a PL amp. It was VERY good. I have only bettered it by going Tag.
     
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    Ok slightly off the point but along the same lines...

    I currently have DD5.1.

    If I were to upgrade to THX EX or the DTS equivalent I need a EX amp but does the DVD player need to be upgraded as well to one that outputs EX? or is the EX encoded into the signal in the same way that DPL is in a stereo signal? So the DD output on the DVD player will carry EX signal which will be processed in the Amp into THX EX output to all the relevant speakers.
     
  12. Ian J

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    'Tis all encoded on the disc so all you need is a 6.1 or 7.1 amp, extra rear speakers and a very tolerant partner.
     
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    "very tolerant partner."

    Bugger, it was looking good until that point...:rolleyes:
     
  14. lmccauley

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    I know - I traded mine in for an Alpha 10/DAVE about 3 years ago. It was a nice machine, especially bi-amped with an 8P, but the decoder in the 606D DVD player was very poor, so I needed a decent DD amp. Hence the DAVE.

    Go on then Nic, I'll bite :) Why?

    Cheers,
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