Building a Media Centre PC with a Hiper Micro Case

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  1. nathsea

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    Hi all I have just seen these for sale at Ebuyer....

    http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/prod...2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=85944

    And was wondering what everybody thought to making a MCE 2005 PC out of it.

    My main concern is that you can only have either a PCI or an AGP card in it due to using a riser card, so this limits my options somewhat!

    Are there any motherboards that offer S-Video out as an option, so as then I could use the PCI card to home a tuner card.

    If not are there any other solutions, I would ideally like to be able to use s-video out to my TV for tv purposes! and the VGA cable to my projector for film watching purposes!!

    Or should I just go for a different case, although I really like this one due to its size and price

    Many Thanks

    Nathan
     
  2. DaveP

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    I was tempted by this when I recently bought a new case. The problem you'll have is finding a low profile card. graphics wise it wont be a problem but a low profile tuner card may prove difficult.

    Dave
     
  3. nathsea

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    Hi,

    Thanks for your reply. I don`t quite understand this riser option (i think!) My understanding is that by using a pci riser card I could use a full height card but it would be put at 90 degrees , or would I still need to use a low profile card?

    Many Thanks

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  4. DaveP

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    You are correct, the riser card would allow the use of standard size cards (I believe, you'll need to get this confirmed).

    Getting the riser card may be difficult though!

    Dave
     
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    Thanks again for the quick reply,

    SO......

    Assuming I put a TV card in the pci slot, which small form factor motherboards give decent enough graphics output on board to allow me to watch tv/dvd`s through this system, if there are any that is!

    Many Thanks

    Nathan
     
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    hmm interesting anyone priced up a basic system using this, Case Hdd, optical drive,RAM, processor cooler etc and bits...
     
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    How does it fit a CPU with fan on top of it?
     
  8. nathsea

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    just seen at scan they do the riser cards and a very shallow fan. loking promising for a small system, what minimum specs would you go for , for recording tv etc

    Nathan
     
  9. nathsea

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    so has anybody built a media centre pc with one of these then? If so what specs did you use?
    If I put in a amd64 3000 processor and only used onboard graphics would I get decent playback from dvd`s and recorded tv?
     
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    I'm teetering on the brink of starting a build with one of these - they look divine in the flesh. I was about to plump for an Asus 775 board when I discovered this :D :D

    Component connections and DVI onboard!!! And it takes a Pentium-M CPU, which consumes pretty small amounts of power (and presumably you could the get Wireless capability too). Chip and board together would be £300+ though... :eek:

    Still teetering.... :)
     
  11. nathsea

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    very neat motherboard, would be expensive thought by the time you have brought the slimline dvd player etc.
    But would look very good in any setup

    Nathan
     
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    Doh ! :mad:

    Spec suggests that output may be for Japan only
     
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    Ive built a hiper media centre with the following items:-

    hiper media case

    1x nova t tunner

    1xEPIA MII12000 (it only used as a media centre - so its fast enough)

    1xold slim cd drive out of broke laptop (will upgrade to slot load dvd at some time prob a Panasonic CW8123B (dvd reader) or a Panasonic UJ845 (dvd burner)

    1x512mb ram

    1x120 spinpoint hard drive

    1xmce remote

    1xwireless keyboard

    1x(old) pcmica wireless b card
     
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    Erm ...
    something like an abit va-10 micro motherboard with built in optical spdif
    ebuyer's case description mentions inclusion of an agp riser - use that with a radeon 9600 card in silent guise for svid\ vga\ dvi\ rgb via vga\ vga via dvi options
    couple of hauppauge usb2 external dvb tuners hanging off the usb sockets
    mce2005
    your choice of hd\processor\cooling\ram

    low speed sempron should cope with regular dual dvb pvring and dvd playback no problem. not too shabby a system.

    voila ?
     
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    Indeed. The most expensive bit will be a slot-loading DVD-Writer :laugh:
     
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    they currently retail at about £80
     
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    Japanese and analogue. :lesson:
     
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    i have a dead laptop with DVD-ROM CDRW drive in it would that be suitable for the Hiper case?
     
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    :hiya: yes, should be fine.
     
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    For the last budget Media Center build I did, I used one of these: http://www.pcwcomponentcentre.co.uk/invt/a7s8xmx - onboard SPDIF (coaxial, without an extra bracket needed) and supports 2 SATA drives. Really nice board to work with, and has been reported as being rock solid. With a low-profile cooler, would go quite easily in the Hiper, methinks, with a quiet AGP card on the riser.
     
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    If you wanted to go for a more powerfull system then this motherboard is idea:-

    gigabyte

    retails about £70 and take's p4 processors,

    and has onboard radeon graphics and tv out.

    then you can use the spare slot for a tv capture card
     
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    Nice, that was one of the P4 boards I'd seen. Has SPDIF in and out too, as I recall. I also found a MSI Socket 939 board (which uses a similar chipset and thus also has the onboard S-video - here) the power consumption of the A64's is less than the P4's, which might be an isue with the 200W power supply on the Hiper. You'd be stuck with the onboard graphics, though, unless anyone knows of a PCI-Express riser?
     
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    I've been toying with the idea of building a system using one of these. This is the spec I've settled on at the moment (all prices are from http://www.scan.co.uk and include VAT):

    £55.08 - HiperMedia Chassis, Small Form Factor (AMD Validated) Matt Black Finish
    £8.23 - PCI Riser for HMC 53 Series (for HiperMedia Chassis) with AGP Adapter
    £51.10 - MSI K7N2GM2-ILSR - nForce 2, uATX, DDR400, 10/100 Lan, USB 2.0, 1394, 6Ch Audio, IDE, GF4 VGA
    £67.33 - AMD Sempron 3000 + (SoA) (2.17ghz) CPU Retail inc Heat Sink Fan & 3 Years Warranty
    £9.40 - Akasa Low Profile Copper Cooler for Socket A - Specially designed for Hiper Media Chassis
    £26.07 - 512Mb PC2700 (PC333) DDR Memory (Major) Retail
    £51.48 - Hauppauge WinTV PVR 150MCE OEM w/o Remote
    £82.19 - Panasonic UJ-845-BPN Slot Notebook/Slim DVDRW Drive
    £63.16 - 160Gb Seagate Barracuda (7200rpm, 8Mb) - SATA - NCQ

    Sub total : £414.04

    Plus the essentials:
    £21.44 - Microsoft Windows Media Center HARDWARE Kit (Remote/Receiver) OEM
    £78.51 - Microsoft Windows XP Media Center 2005 Edition Software *OEM*
    £26.66 - Black/Silver Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard & Mouse V2.0 (OEM) USB/PS2

    Brings the total to £540.65

    Not too bad really and you could make a cheaper one if you didn't want DVD-RAM and used a slower CPU :) My only concern is that you have to rely on the on-board graphics and, I presume, a software DVD decoder(?)

    Anyone got any tips if this spec is suitable for a Media Center PC for the living room? Don't need it for anything else, just recording TV/Sky, watching DVDs and playing mp3s. It'll be contacted to a 28" widescreen CRT (I assume via scart).

    Also, I'm not sure if I've got the memory correct. Should it be PC333 or PC400? I keep reading conflicting info on what suits the CPU/mainboard.

    cheers

    Matt
     
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    Hi,

    The mainboard will run at DDR400, so if you put that speed of memory in, it will run at 400, you can put 333 in but then it will run slower at 333 - you probably won't notice the difference to be honest.

    With regard to graphics, onboard graphics will work, but you will compromise picture quality - the slot on the mobo, can you use PCI or VGA? If so you could look at having a choice of upgrade in the future - an external USB2 tv card and an AGP graphics card.

    TV-out via s-video to scart is a poor solution, would recommend getting a VGA to Scart cable, there are other threads on these forums that discuss this, I think you can get one made for you or make one yourself.
     
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    Thanks Lisa :smashin:

    For the difference in cost I might as well go PC400.

    I didn't think to use an external tuner card but would rather keep everything in the case. The whole idea of using the Hiper is that it's so small. Also, it's only got a 200W power supply and I wouldn't want to over load it with a power hungry graphics card. I guess I can always swap things around if the internal graphics are rubbish.

    I had no idea there was such a thing as VGA to scart. I'll investigate this one further :)

    cheers

    Matt
     
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    Ah, but the great thing about the Hiper case the PCI riser card allows you to use full size cards. They sit parallel with the mainboard :)
     
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    Few comments re M/Bs. The Aopen board is mentioned on their European site www.aopen.nl so think it is for Europe also, certainly its predecessor i855 is available in UK.

    Also for all in one MATX M/B look at EQS Computers. We used to stock the ASUS P4R800 but when this was withdrawn switched to the EQS as it offered even more http://www.eqscomputers.com/products/mobo/motherboard.php?model=M45P8-MLF

    They are also introducing some nice all in one AMD boards using ATI x300 on board graphics.
     

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