Budget friendly 2.0 setup to replace a bose soundbar

chinds

Member
Just purchased my parents a new TV (Samsung Neo QLED 65", Absolutely fantastic TV by the way!) and now they would like to replace their small Bose soundbar for a few reasons;

  • It is mounted to the chimney breast and if its too loud neighbours complain, I suspect this is mostly todo with it being wall mounted and the sound carrying through
  • Its great soundbar with good sound (compared to the TV speakers) however they want something with better audio separation and in general a better sound

I am working on a small (ish) budget and thinking a good 2.0 setup will be enough to get them started. I was thinking of a pair of Klipsch R-51M's (Klipsch R-51M (Black)) and a reasonable AV Receiver (it must support 4K) so something like Yamaha RXV4A (Black) and then a pair of speaker stands.

My questions are;

  • What are you thoughts on the speaker and receiver choices?
  • Will this provider a better sound than the current bose sound bar
  • Can I get anything better for the money?

Devices used currently are just an Apple TV 4K and SkyQ box.
 

Jester1066

Well-known Member
If your parents are only ever going to have a max of 2 speakers, I'd swap the Yamaha AVR for a Denon DRA800H:


This is a 2ch stereo receiver- with all of the HDMI connectivity of an AVR. it will also sound better than any AVR imo.

If you want a slimmer unit in the same vein, there's also a Marantz NR1200:

 

chinds

Member
If your parents are only ever going to have a max of 2 speakers, I'd swap the Yamaha AVR for a Denon DRA800H:


This is a 2ch stereo receiver- with all of the HDMI connectivity of an AVR. it will also sound better than any AVR imo.

If you want a slimmer unit in the same vein, there's also a Marantz NR1200:

What would be the benefit of switching to a stereo receiver? Those linked are a quite a bit more expensive than the multi channel AV receives I have seen which also seem more versatile i.e. allowing for more speakers down the road etc.

I am not yet sure if they would opt for more speakers in the future, but not sure if it is worth limiting that possible future expansion
 

Jester1066

Well-known Member
What would be the benefit of switching to a stereo receiver? Those linked are a quite a bit more expensive than the multi channel AV receives I have seen which also seem more versatile i.e. allowing for more speakers down the road etc.

I am not yet sure if they would opt for more speakers in the future, but not sure if it is worth limiting that possible future expansion
Hi

You've sort of answered your own question. The amps I mentioned will give better stereo performance (imo) vs a multichannel AVR. They have fewer - but better quality - amps in them (2) vs a similar physically sized AVR (usually 7+ amps) and are designed specifically for stereo.

If there's even the smallest chance they may add extra speakers in the future, then yes an AVR like the yamaha you mentioned would indeed be a better purchase in the long-term. 👍🏼
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Do your parents also have any good music sources, CD player or turntable. If so the stereo option would be better. If indeed they do think they'll expand the speaker set up, which is after all ultimately better, then stick with the AV amp option.

Which ever option you go for it will no doubt help with the audio problems and the neighbours by moving the speakers into the room.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
The amps I mentioned will give better stereo performance (imo) vs a multichannel AVR. They have fewer - but better quality - amps in them (2) vs a similar physically sized AVR (usually 7+ amps) and are designed specifically for stereo.

If there's even the smallest chance they may add extra speakers in the future, then yes an AVR like the yamaha you mentioned would indeed be a better purchase in the long-term. 👍🏼

You would be suprised how many identical parts they share in these "stereo receivers" and av-receiver of similar price so the assumption that they sound much better is wishfull thinking. :) At same price 650£ or so one can get X2700H which has same DAC and many other identical parts, same amount power for 2ch (-5w). It also has lot more features and newer hdmi 2.1 connections with eARC, room correction etc. so bang for buck is much higher and future proofing.

I wouldn´t hesitate buying av-receiver especially if worried about future expansion as mentioned, the RX-V4A is good bit cheaper and 5.1 so perfectly fine for SkyQ / Apple TV use. Going from soundbar to real hifi speakers will make the biggest difference audibly.

Peter Tyson gives extended 3year warranty for Yamaha and free AudioQuest 1,2m HDMI cable.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
@chinds do not buy the Klipsch R-51. They are overpriced in UK. That is their budget range which is lot cheaper in US where they are popular. Build quality and sound quality isn`t anywhere near other 300£ speakers. When you purchase receiver, speakers and stands together you will get some discount so make sure you ask for good package deal!

There is so many options which i would pick even blindly over the cheap Klipsches which really doesn´t compete with these.




I would consider Q Acoustics Concept 20 or the newer 3020i with modern looks, but Concept should have edge sound wise. Rounded cabinet usually pleases women.


B&W 607 is on sale before being discontinued. This has brighter sound which may not be bad idea for older people.

Dali Oberon 1 would be on my list too.

MA Bronze 50 new range and surely one of the best in this price class.


Maybe first show links/pictures for them which they like visually and then think about which options are possible.
 

AmericanAudio

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Depending on their age will the addition of another remote and possible complication of so many different settings with an AVR or even stereo amp cause problems?

Would simple powered monitors work better and provide a simpler solution?
 

AmericanAudio

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Depending on budget, some manufacturers are offering active and powered monitors (two different things) with HDMI Arc and Optical Inputs, which means in theory their volume could be controlled by the TV.

Klipsch have the Model5's

Ooooo, or if you had the budget, a BlueSound PowerNode has Arc HDMI input to, paired with a nicel little pair of bookshelfs
 

kenshingintoki

Distinguished Member
Just purchased my parents a new TV (Samsung Neo QLED 65", Absolutely fantastic TV by the way!) and now they would like to replace their small Bose soundbar for a few reasons;

  • It is mounted to the chimney breast and if its too loud neighbours complain, I suspect this is mostly todo with it being wall mounted and the sound carrying through
  • Its great soundbar with good sound (compared to the TV speakers) however they want something with better audio separation and in general a better sound

I am working on a small (ish) budget and thinking a good 2.0 setup will be enough to get them started. I was thinking of a pair of Klipsch R-51M's (Klipsch R-51M (Black)) and a reasonable AV Receiver (it must support 4K) so something like Yamaha RXV4A (Black) and then a pair of speaker stands.

My questions are;

  • What are you thoughts on the speaker and receiver choices?
  • Will this provider a better sound than the current bose sound bar
  • Can I get anything better for the money?

Devices used currently are just an Apple TV 4K and SkyQ box.
If you're doing 2.0, I'd just get an AVR & a pair of towers and call it a day.

If doing bookshelves, I'd budget for a small sub so its a 2.1 setup.

Speaker wise, its all taste based off of sound & looks.

Unless your parents are audiophiles, much better value buying an AVR than a dedicated stereo amp/processor.

Personally I'd be looking to go second hand for the speakers. The classifieds recently has had some insane bargains.
 

Joe Fernand

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With the Sources connected via HDMI to the TV you can use Optical Out of the TV to a suitable Stereo Amp - Yamaha have options, with and without Network connectivity, starting around £300 which leaves you plenty for a decent pair of floor standing speakers.

Joe
 

davidwatt

Novice Member
I’m surprised you think the Bose sound bar doesn’t give good audio separation.. I have both the Beam and the Arc and think they are brilliant.

Thought about just mounting the sound bar under the tv? Add two rear play 1s ant they get rears to improve the sound stage. eBay second hand rears may be cheaper than the AV receiver anyway.
 

MonkeyCasino

Standard Member
I’m surprised you think the Bose sound bar doesn’t give good audio separation.. I have both the Beam and the Arc and think they are brilliant.

Thought about just mounting the sound bar under the tv? Add two rear play 1s ant they get rears to improve the sound stage. eBay second hand rears may be cheaper than the AV receiver anyway.
Beam and Arc are Sonos products, not Bose!
 

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