Brexit Party 'Fastest growing Political Force'

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  1. Cliff

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    From the Independent/ Sky News:
    Brexit Party is UK's 'fastest growing political force' with 85,000 new members, Farage claims

    Nigel Farage said 85,000 people have signed up to his new Brexit Party, boasting “the fastest growing political force in the land” will smash the two-party system.

    Almost £2m has flooded in within a few weeks from grassroots supporters, ahead of a predicted victory in the European elections later this month, the former Ukip leader said.



    I can see with TM latest brain storming idea to offer concessions, like staying in the Single market to Labour in an effort to get their support for her terrible WA agreement, it will anger both Conservative and Labour supporters. They will be turning to the Brexit Party.*


    *Or, according to Libdems, the country has changed its mind and they will be front runners:rotfl:
     
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    In my career I’ve learned be careful of ‘fastest growing’ claims.

    Some software that I used to work with used to claim it was the fastest growing, and technically they were correct, but reality was like this (numbers made up for demonstration).

    Product A, 20,000 customers, 200 new customers, 1% growth.
    Product B, 50,000 customers, 1,000 new customers, 2% growth.
    Product C, 2,000 customers, 50 new customers, 2.5% growth.

    Product C is the fastest growing product, true but they are only winning 4% of the new customers.

    Since seeing that, I’ve never paid much attention to ‘fastest growing’ claims.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    Don't we need a GE before they (BP) will have any influence? :D
     
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    So around 0.5% of the population of the UK that voted Leave have donated to the Brexit Party?
     
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    Maybe, but neither Labour or Conservatives are in any mood for a GE. The country, I would surmise, is very angry at the way both parties have behaved after the referendum.

    I believe the Brexit Party is useful to make sure we leave. If we do that, then it will have served its purpose and I suspect people will look at the main parties again.
     
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    Brexit Party 'Fastest growing Political Force'

    Its certainly impressive that the Brexit Party have gone from not existing 4 weeks ago to being favorite to win most seats at the EU elections. They certainly found a gap in the market..:D
     
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    Apart from general social media/publicity, I’m still not entirely sure what it is the Brexit Party are actually going to do to bring about us leaving the EU? Conservatives are doing enough to themselves to screw up their voting and labour are a waste of space already!
     
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    Change a single vowel, and you've certainly got an apt description of the Tories.
     
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    I’d have expected more to have donated, especially with the mess that the Government are making off leaving.
     
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    The same way that UKIP forced the referendum to be held.

    Take away enough voters that the main parties have no choice but to deal with why people vote for them.
     
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    Hence my point that the Conservative Party are already doing that themselves with their in fighting.

    I’m just not seeing the Brexit Party as any more of a token protest than those scrawling Brexit on their local election papers. I’m not saying they’re not gaining support, just wondering what they’re actually going to do when they get votes. I’d have thought the last 3 years would have taught people to not simply vote a hollow promise without any full plan afterwards.
     
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    The Brexit Party was founded on 20 January 2019.
     
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    Whether it is a protest or full support, it saying, loud and clear that the main parties have messed up and they will not get our support.
     
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    And the last three years will have taught the parties that if they don't do what they were elected to do, they will lose our votes.

    What other option do I have? I have to vote for the party that represents me on the issue that is most important to me.

    If the Tories want my vote again, they know what they need to do.
     
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    Having voted for them in the local elections last week, as there was no ‘Brexit’ Party option, do you think you’d also vote for them in the next GE, even if they haven’t delivered on leaving the EU (assuming there is no major Brexit Party option again)?
     
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    Once again the Conservatives and indeed Labour this time out have created a soap box for Nigel to run on . And Nige didn't have to even try as laid out on a platter for him :smashin:.
     
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    The thing is, that they are a currently a EU party, not a UK political party.
    They will have no influence over the UK's Brexit process or the Governments handling of it.
    All they can and will do is waste time in the EU parliament further damaging relations with the rest if the EU countries we want to keep as friends and trading partners even if we left.
    If we don't leave or it's delayed for a long enough period of time, we will be obligated to follow the rules, directives and so forth of a group of nations and a system we are essentially taking the pee out of by having anti-eu MEP's causing problems.
    That will most likely mean that any negotiations on issues that effect the UK are going to be considerably less likely to be seen in a benevolent and friendly manner by the rest of the EU.

    Essentially, a vote for the Brexit party is a vote for acting like little kids having a hissy fit in the supermarket - embaress the parents and get everyones backs up while not only not getting the sweets we wanted, but also having our favourite breakfast cereals put back on the shelves and replaced with ALL Bran.
    It's basically cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.
     
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    I can only assume people are hoping that at the next General Election they will stand and do well.

    But let's assume that the next general election is as scheduled in 2022.

    That means this Brexit Party can actually do nothing about Brexit till 2022. And even then it doesn't mean they're going to be able to do anything. And either way, Brexit is likely to have happened or been scrapped by 2022.

    So with no other current policies or ideas, it's basically a protest vote for a raving loony party.

    Led by Nigel Farage.

    o_O
     
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    they're also standing at the upcoming Peterborough by-election after the recent recall
    - most likely with Ms Rees-Smugg standing, as Nige bottled it, having lost seven earlier attempts at being elected to the HoC
     
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    Didn't realise that. Will be one to keep an eye on then to see how they get on.
     
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    I was with you until that bit... ;)
     
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    If she/other wins for TBP, it'll be interesting to see how the party leader and leader of the parliamentary party will get on - can see it being as successful as Farage-Carswell :laugh:
     
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    I'll vote for any party that commits to leaving the EU.

    Even if that meant extremists like labour.
     
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    Jesus its the loonly lefty boys posting tonight.
     
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    You just posted tonight :devil::laugh:
     
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    Democracy is great ain't it :smashin:.
     
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    I’m not convinced the European Elections are going to that be decisive.

    My feeling is that the country is still roughly 50:50 split, whether that is slightly leave or slightly remain, I don’t know.

    Both sides are very angry with Conservatives and pretty angry with Labour, so I can see Conservatives getting nothing and Labour getting little.

    I can see The Brexit Party picking up most of the leave vote and that the remain vote will probably be split between LibDem, Greens, maybe CUK.

    But the nett result is that the MEP distribution will match the country’s feeling, 50:50 Leave:Remain - we won’t get a Leave dominance in the UK section of the EU Parliament.

    Cheers,

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    So if you are in favor of leaving the EU you should vote for Parties whose policy is to remain in the EU? - all that will happen then are that remainers will declare overwhelming support for remaining in the EU.

    Or perhaps thats the point. :D

    I would also point out that if you were only to vote for parties capable of getting their policies through Parlaiment then nobody would ever vote for the LimpDems, the Greens, the SNP, the DUP or Plaid. Surely you get a better sense of the will of the people if everyone votes for what they want.
     
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    A single issue party only needs one policy. As for Farage being a raving looney, I would suggest that compared to the alternatives he is quite sane.
     

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