Brexit in a nutshell

richp007

Distinguished Member
No evidence whatsoever, no not one qualified statement to back up your hearsay and assertions. Rehashing of what you've read and heard on question time and other media sources.

You know nothing of the NHS, not one example to qualify what you mean, just a broad generalisation.
Forgot to reply yesterday, but I see it'll just be a waste of time anyway as I realise now from the rest of your posts that you're another living away with the unicorns and fairies.

You have no idea what experience I have with NHS services; that which I do centres around mental health and the services that have been decimated by years of Tory cuts to vital areas. Children, young adults and their families who desperately need help and can't get it.

Ever spoken to a child whose suicidal? Ever spoken to a parent whose child has tried to take their own life?

And construction more strenuous than working with people's lives? The most moronic thing I've ever read on this forum. Why do you think the sickness is 3 times lower as you say it is? Christ alive you're clueless.

Plus seeing you talk such utter tosh as the problem is staff sickness, and then being as crass in your last post as to suggest NHS staff are deluded is a disgrace. The pressures many have to handle, and the workload they have to manage. You're an absolute joke to suggest none of that is relevant.

And getting back on the topic of Brexit, you started off crying about the Supreme Court decision you still clearly don't understand, then started asking for evidence about something that hasn't actually happened yet. It's all prediction and projection, and if you'd bothered to read up on something that doesn't fit into your perfect little view of what's happening, you'd know much more about the topic you pretend to be an expert on.

Already wasted enough time debating with you as is, not wasting any fudgeing more.
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
What has that got to do with anything at all. Go quote from a newspaper. :rotfl:

Nope, NHS to private sector, back to the NHS. Worked her way up from band 5 to mid band 8.

NHS users complain because staff are rude, attitude problems and some are downright incompetent, with no recourse to retrain or discipline. The other problem is staff have very little experience of other industries. My background is construction, comparatively much more technical and strenuous work, however sickness is 3 times lower.

As for the pay, that's a good starting salary and with on call payments, overtime, training, pension, uniform, social life, increments. Don't kid yourself, it's a good job. When I met my ex wife she was on £40000 plus for less that 5 days work as a band 5..
Nhs staff are deluded.
I funnied your post because it’s hilarious. The idea that your ex was on £40k as a band 5, without working double hours of overtime, is pretty hard to believe.

There’s no denying that there are NHS staff that are rude etc, it’s a huge organisation. I’d go so far as to say there are probably as many rude/incompetent people in the construction industry, that’s human nature. I’d also disagree that construction is any more strenuous than nursing, they’re both hands-on roles, and my wife looks ready to drop after one of her 12 hour shifts with a 30 minute lunch break in the middle. I think it’s pretty harsh to say NHS staff are deluded, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t if you were sitting in a hospital bed being cared for.
 
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gamerste

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that was in 2015 - since then we have had announcements of large increases in funding.


Boris Johnson vows to build 40 new NHS hospitals and replace crumbling buildings under £13billion plan
Did you read the full facts link that was up to date with everything you need to know about the NHS and it's current funding.
Boris can vow to build what he wants with his money from the future.
The NHS has been drastically cut under this current Tory government.
Anyone who says it has not isnt telling the truth
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
that was in 2015 - since then we have had announcements of large increases in funding.


Boris Johnson vows to build 40 new NHS hospitals and replace crumbling buildings under £13billion plan
:rotfl:

He can announce all he wants, I’m sure his followers will lap it up.

It’s just that, when reading the actual details, their plans are actually to build 3 new hospitals, renovate 3 and then put in “seed funding” of £100m for the other 34 to put plans down, and hope that someone funds them at some point in the next decade.

The same goes for the boost in NHS funding by 2024/25. Until we get there and see the truth, it’s all just more manifesto bs.
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
Did you read the full facts link that was up to date with everything you need to know about the NHS and it's current funding.
Boris can vow to build what he wants with his money from the future.
The NHS has been drastically cut under this current Tory government.
Anyone who says it has not isnt telling the truth
And what are you basing this claim on? In 2000 Government expenditure on the NHS was £74 Billion - that has now risen to £144 Billion by 2016.

So what cuts are you discussing?
 

gamerste

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And what are you basing this claim on? In 2000 Government expenditure on the NHS was £74 Billion - that has now risen to £144 Billion by 2016.

So what cuts are you discussing?
Funding since 2009-2019 has been at 1.1% The lowest period of growth in funding since the NHS began.
It was at 6.3% 1999-2009.
So cuts.
Did you read the full facts link I posted
 

doug56hl

Distinguished Member
And what are you basing this claim on? In 2000 Government expenditure on the NHS was £74 Billion - that has now risen to £144 Billion by 2016.

So what cuts are you discussing?
The cuts in growth needed to keep pace with demand shown on the graph below perhaps...

changes_in_uk_public_spending_on_health.png changes_in_uk_public_spending_on_health_by_govt.png

The highest years of the coalition and Cameron governments are below or very close to the lowest years of the Major, Blair and Brown governments.

As for your figures they seem different to those below as regards 2016.

Total health spending in England was around £129 billion in 2018/19 and is expected to rise to nearly £134 billion by 2019/20, taking inflation into account.

In 2018/19 around £115 billion was spent on the NHS England budget. The rest was spent by the Department of Health on things like public health initiatives, education, training, and infrastructure (including IT and building new hospitals
Spending on the NHS in England
 
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Pacifico

Distinguished Member
Funding since 2009-2019 has been at 1.1% The lowest period of growth in funding since the NHS began.
It was at 6.3% 1999-2009.
So cuts.
Did you read the full facts link I posted
So you are now admitting that funding has grown - just not as fast as you would have liked?

Well thats progress..:smashin:
 

doug56hl

Distinguished Member
So you are now admitting that funding has grown - just not as fast as you would have liked?

Well thats progress..:smashin:
Funding has to rise to keep up with inflation and increased costs. A 1% rise is actually a cut in real terms when what is needed is a 2% rise and so on.
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
Funding has to rise to keep up with inflation and increased costs. A 1% rise is actually a cut when what is needed is a 2% rise and so on.

Well thats good as the average real terms spending increase since 2010 has been around 4%
 

GadgetObsessed

Well-known Member
Funding since 2009-2019 has been at 1.1% The lowest period of growth in funding since the NHS began.
It was at 6.3% 1999-2009.
So cuts.
Did you read the full facts link I posted
The tables that you quote are in "real" terms not absolute terms i.e. they take inflation into account.

If the table shows expenditure increasing by 1% then it went up by 1% more than inflation. For example, if inflation that year was 3% then absolute expenditure must have increased by 4%.

So the tables show that every government since the 1950s has increased NHS expenditure in real terms.
 

ostewart

Active Member
that was in 2015 - since then we have had announcements of large increases in funding.


Boris Johnson vows to build 40 new NHS hospitals and replace crumbling buildings under £13billion plan
Yeah, that has been proved to not add up:


Forgot to reply yesterday, but I see it'll just be a waste of time anyway as I realise now from the rest of your posts that you're another living away with the unicorns and fairies.

You have no idea what experience I have with NHS services; that which I do centres around mental health and the services that have been decimated by years of Tory cuts to vital areas. Children, young adults and their families who desperately need help and can't get it.

Ever spoken to a child whose suicidal? Ever spoken to a parent whose child has tried to take their own life?

And construction more strenuous than working with people's lives? The most moronic thing I've ever read on this forum. Why do you think the sickness is 3 times lower as you say it is? Christ alive you're clueless.

Plus seeing you talk such utter tosh as the problem is staff sickness, and then being as crass in your last post as to suggest NHS staff are deluded is a disgrace. The pressures many have to handle, and the workload they have to manage. You're an absolute joke to suggest none of that is relevant.

And getting back on the topic of Brexit, you started off crying about the Supreme Court decision you still clearly don't understand, then started asking for evidence about something that hasn't actually happened yet. It's all prediction and projection, and if you'd bothered to read up on something that doesn't fit into your perfect little view of what's happening, you'd know much more about the topic you pretend to be an expert on.

Already wasted enough time debating with you as is, not wasting any fudgeing more.
Thank you so much for this post, my partner suffers with mental health issues and the support is not there, I've only been with her for a short amount of time but I know her parents have had to battle with this for a while and it has been really hard for them.

She's moved in with me, and is getting some support but it's still far from being what is needed. Suicide rates have risen, and that needs addressing by funding mental health services here in the UK



And just to bring it back to Brexit, I do not trust the tory party to fund the NHS, if we leave without a deal I dread to think what will happen:

 

richp007

Distinguished Member
Thank you so much for this post, my partner suffers with mental health issues and the support is not there, I've only been with her for a short amount of time but I know her parents have had to battle with this for a while and it has been really hard for them.

She's moved in with me, and is getting some support but it's still far from being what is needed. Suicide rates have risen, and that needs addressing by funding mental health services here in the UK

No need to thank me, I'm sure I just echo out loud the thoughts of many when confronted with such disgusting attitudes toward the NHS. And it's staff.

We lost one of our own members on here not long back, and they suffered with mental illness too.

It's an issue not to be taken lightly, and those who have to deal with it daily - be it patients or staff - are to be commended and not condemned.
 

rampant

Well-known Member
Well you've left so you won't be using it will you.
Unless your South Asian hospitals are not up to scratch then I imagine you'll be back home using the nhs
and why not? - i pay more tax to the UK in a year than the average person earns - so i have the right to use the facilities i pay for?
 

gamerste

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and why not? - i pay more tax to the UK in a year than the average person earns - so i have the right to use the facilities i pay for?
But when you leave you don't pay any tax into the system.
So you could stay out there for 10+ years and think ah I'm not well the good ol' NHS.
Even though you haven't paid in.
I'm happy to treat anyone that needs the NHS that's the point of it.
 

rampant

Well-known Member
But when you leave you don't pay any tax into the system.
So you could stay out there for 10+ years and think ah I'm not well the good ol' NHS.
Even though you haven't paid in.
I'm happy to treat anyone that needs the NHS that's the point of it.
I still pay UK tax :) and will continue doing so ...
 

GadgetObsessed

Well-known Member
Yeah, that has been proved to not add up:


Thank you so much for this post, my partner suffers with mental health issues and the support is not there, I've only been with her for a short amount of time but I know her parents have had to battle with this for a while and it has been really hard for them.

She's moved in with me, and is getting some support but it's still far from being what is needed. Suicide rates have risen, and that needs addressing by funding mental health services here in the UK



And just to bring it back to Brexit, I do not trust the tory party to fund the NHS, if we leave without a deal I dread to think what will happen:

I think that one of the key issues with stories around the NHS is that people generally don't realise the size of the costs involved. So a minister can claim to be spending an extra £10 billion over say 5 years - and many will assume that this is a significant amount of money. In practice though the NHS spends around £140bn a year so an extra $2bn a year is barely more than 1% extra.

While NHS expenditure has been keeping up with inflation - it has not been keeping up with overall demand. The main driver for increasing demand appears to be the increasing numbers of elderly - to which there is no simple solution.

Once the average person hits around 50 their annual cost to the NHS starts to rise quickly. An 85 year old on average costs the NHS about 7 times as much as someone in their late 30s. In 2016 there were more than 1.5 million people in the UK aged 85 or over. That was 4 times as many as there were 50 years earlier. By 2066 it is expected that the number will increase to 5 million.

To keep pace with increasing demand from a rapidly aging population expenditure on the NHS would have to increase significantly faster than it has done. The question then becomes where does the money to achieve that come from - especially as an aging population also means a smaller proportion of people in work and a larger pension budget too.
 

Ruperts slippers

Distinguished Member
Band 5 tops out at £27,635 in 2018.
To top 40k she would have to work the equivalent of 23.5 weeks overtime per year.
No it's not a good starting salary I'm sorry it's not.
Works out at £11 an hour.
Wages are a massive problem within the NHS hence why it's so short-staffed.
I reckon nursing (I'm not a nurse and never have been)is far more strenuous than your 4pm finish construction work.
And I can hold my hand up and say my colleagues work is far more technical than your construction work.
What other experience of other industries are needed.
The NHS offers a whole range of in house courses from business to leadership to a whole host of other courses.
Forgot to reply yesterday, but I see it'll just be a waste of time anyway as I realise now from the rest of your posts that you're another living away with the unicorns and fairies.

You have no idea what experience I have with NHS services; that which I do centres around mental health and the services that have been decimated by years of Tory cuts to vital areas. Children, young adults and their families who desperately need help and can't get it.

Ever spoken to a child whose suicidal? Ever spoken to a parent whose child has tried to take their own life?

And construction more strenuous than working with people's lives? The most moronic thing I've ever read on this forum. Why do you think the sickness is 3 times lower as you say it is? Christ alive you're clueless.

Plus seeing you talk such utter tosh as the problem is staff sickness, and then being as crass in your last post as to suggest NHS staff are deluded is a disgrace. The pressures many have to handle, and the workload they have to manage. You're an absolute joke to suggest none of that is relevant.

And getting back on the topic of Brexit, you started off crying about the Supreme Court decision you still clearly don't understand, then started asking for evidence about something that hasn't actually happened yet. It's all prediction and projection, and if you'd bothered to read up on something that doesn't fit into your perfect little view of what's happening, you'd know much more about the topic you pretend to be an expert on.

Already wasted enough time debating with you as is, not wasting any fudgeing more.
I funnied your post because it’s hilarious. The idea that your ex was on £40k as a band 5, without working double hours of overtime, is pretty hard to believe.

There’s no denying that there are NHS staff that are rude etc, it’s a huge organisation. I’d go so far as to say there are probably as many rude/incompetent people in the construction industry, that’s human nature. I’d also disagree that construction is any more strenuous than nursing, they’re both hands-on roles, and my wife looks ready to drop after one of her 12 hour shifts with a 30 minute lunch break in the middle. I think it’s pretty harsh to say NHS staff are deluded, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t if you were sitting in a hospital bed being cared for.
Its just one emotional appeal after another. The problem some remainers have, is the consistent quoting from newspapers with partisan bias, from a debating academic point of view, it holds very little weight.

Its all very passive aggressive whining, (a lot of men in the NHS/IT are like this, feminine, yesterdays date mentioned this, after I asked her why she'd not met anyone at work, funnily enough she works in mental health with families). Typical I might add of the whole socialist argument, doom and gloom, people need US to save them for the baddies, its virtue signaling at its best.

Disagree that construction is more strenuous.
I look back on my experience for example Sheffield townhall, we worked on that job including travelling from 6am til 730pm 7 days a week for 12 months no overtime payments were made.

The job includes heavy lifting, working alone in cramped dangerous conditions under time pressure with financial penalties. My starting tool kit weighs 30kg. Women in the main do not work in construction and neither do certain types of men.

What a lot of people don't understand is construction pay is piece work, task, complete task objectively or no pay, there are no please or thank you's its get on with your job, don't like it fudge off. People fall out physically over space, time and money every single day on site. No breaks are common, facilities are often poor, sanitation is very basic.

I have to say due to the mental conditioning of my working life the degree time constraints and tasks are by far the easiest I've ever experienced. What it has done, is open my mind to new sources of information and a clearer under standing of how the world works.


The construction industry lifestyle is undoubtedly both challenging and stressful. Long and demanding working hours, working away from home on site for weeks at a time and the lingering unease in the industry, particularly following Carillion’s recent collapse, are just some of the factors contributing to poor mental health. In a workforce that is predominantly male, specific risks associated with male mental health also need to be considered. The “tough guy” image widespread in the construction industry is very much to blame.

Non of this has anything to do with Brexit, but I personally have a couple of forum members crying because I dare to disagree with their socialist/remainer narrative. Suck it up buttercups, life's not fair.
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
None of the three posts you quoted have any quotes from newspapers, partisan bias or, in fact, have anything to do with Brexit. Maybe your academic approach doesn't include basic reading?

Who’s crying? As far as I can see, it’s posters pointing out facts from their own experiences. What makes you the arbiter of truth and everyone else a whining buttercup? You also seem to be suggesting that those disagreeing with you are “certain types of men”, would you care to elaborate what you think those types are?

Yes, you worked in construction, and yes it’s a physical career, but that doesn’t mean you’re the only one who works hard, and in crappy conditions. I don’t know how old you are, but there will be a day when you may need more support from the NHS than you do now and those people you’re labelling as deluded and skivers will be the ones helping you. I’m not a huge believer in karma, but maybe there will be some.
 
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richp007

Distinguished Member
I really tried to take what you said seriously, but I got as far as this before I started laughing. The bold bit in particular :laugh:

Its all very passive aggressive whining, (a lot of men in the NHS/IT are like this, feminine, yesterdays date mentioned this, after I asked her why she'd not met anyone at work
Speaks for itself and volumes about you.

Then I did stop laughing obviously when you mentioned suicide as it's not a laughing matter no matter what the industry.

And you also forget you were the one who started all the tears when the Supreme Court dared disagree with your Tory/Brexiter narrative. Something you still clearly don't understand.

So perhaps you can apply your academic approach to that, as you're clearly not worth debating with about anything.
 

gamerste

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Construction in Sheffield 6am-7:30pm that's not even a normal day for me.
Without being on call.
But all us NHS workers are skivers and are off sick.
The people who are off sick, sometimes it doesn't surprise me with the amount of sick people we look after and diseases that are flying around.

I fly all over the country and ride in ambulances repatriating the sickest people in the country to save their lives.
On call weekend is 48 hours, the Max I have done on any weekend is 38 out of 48.
That's not including phone calls.
If it's not a weekend on call it's on call overnight during the week.
My left leaning tendencies come from real life situations in helping the most sickest and the most vulnerable people in the country.
I work with a massive team of specialists day in day out that do some of the most complex life saving techniques in the world.
They range from band 2 workers to band 8c
Everyone of them is underpaid for the work they do.
Be thankful for the NHS because it truly is a very special institution.

It's on its arse at the moment, I know nurses who have left to work in Aldi and Tesco,less stress for just a little less money.

Tories for you decimate it,then promise all the money in the world from their magic money trees when election time comes around.
 

Ruperts slippers

Distinguished Member
Forgot to reply yesterday, but I see it'll just be a waste of time anyway as I realise now from the rest of your posts that you're another living away with the unicorns and fairies.

You have no idea what experience I have with NHS services; that which I do centres around mental health and the services that have been decimated by years of Tory cuts to vital areas. Children, young adults and their families who desperately need help and can't get it.

Ever spoken to a child whose suicidal? Ever spoken to a parent whose child has tried to take their own life?

And construction more strenuous than working with people's lives? The most moronic thing I've ever read on this forum. Why do you think the sickness is 3 times lower as you say it is? Christ alive you're clueless.

Plus seeing you talk such utter tosh as the problem is staff sickness, and then being as crass in your last post as to suggest NHS staff are deluded is a disgrace. The pressures many have to handle, and the workload they have to manage. You're an absolute joke to suggest none of that is relevant.

And getting back on the topic of Brexit, you started off crying about the Supreme Court decision you still clearly don't understand, then started asking for evidence about something that hasn't actually happened yet. It's all prediction and projection, and if you'd bothered to read up on something that doesn't fit into your perfect little view of what's happening, you'd know much more about the topic you pretend to be an expert on.

Already wasted enough time debating with you as is, not wasting any fudgeing more.
None of the three posts you quoted have any quotes from newspapers, partisan bias or, in fact, have anything to do with Brexit. Maybe your academic approach doesn't include basic reading?

Who’s crying? As far as I can see, it’s posters pointing out facts from their own experiences. What makes you the arbiter of truth and everyone else a whining buttercup? You also seem to be suggesting that those disagreeing with you are “certain types of men”, would you care to elaborate what you think those types are?

Yes, you worked in construction, and yes it’s a physical career, but that doesn’t mean you’re the only one who works hard, and in crappy conditions. I don’t know how old you are, but there will be a day when you may need more support from the NHS than you do now and those people you’re labelling as deluded and skivers will be the ones helping you. I’m not a huge believer in karma, but maybe there will be some.
I really tried to take what you said seriously, but I got as far as this before I started laughing. The bold bit in particular :laugh:



Speaks for itself and volumes about you.

Then I did stop laughing obviously when you mentioned suicide as it's not a laughing matter no matter what the industry.

And you also forget you were the one who started all the tears when the Supreme Court dared disagree with your Tory/Brexiter narrative. Something you still clearly don't understand.

So perhaps you can apply your academic approach to that, as you're clearly not worth debating with about anything.
No, what you've tried to do is focus on an individual emotional aspect (Mental health )to bolster your argument in an attempt to shame me. Tory, brexiteer etc, smear. Bit like Boris really. Then there's the passive aggressive laughing, do the pair of you eye roll too. Then I've got ex left me, karma is going to inflict harm upon me. :rotfl:
Don't agree with me, you're a baddie.

All because I pointed out the court case was related to Brexit, and in this instance was an inappropriate use of the justice system.

And no I do not like a lot of NHS staff, based on meeting both ex partners colleagues, listening to both talking about staff issues, sickness , rude-ness, lack of compliance, unruliness, pedantry, bullying which is rife.

Plus the absolute mess they made of delivering my second child, both ex wife and the child nearly died, one from blood loss and the baby from suffocation. And my own personal case of misdiagnosed double lobar Pneumonia and sepsis. Which set me back 9 months. My marriage never survived the traumatic birth and its after affects on our marriage. Staff were either incompetent, rude, and then both times attempted to cover up.

Tbf I have bit a little and will pack it in now. No need to ruin the forum for everyone else.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
No, what you've tried to do is focus on an individual emotional aspect (Mental health )to bolster your argument in an attempt to shame me. Tory, brexiteer etc, smear. Bit like Boris really. Then there's the passive aggressive laughing, do the pair of you eye roll too. Then I've got ex left me, karma is going to inflict harm upon me. :rotfl:
Don't agree with me, you're a baddie.

All because I pointed out the court case was related to Brexit, and in this instance was an inappropriate use of the justice system.

And no I do not like a lot of NHS staff, based on meeting both ex partners colleagues, listening to both talking about staff issues, sickness , rude-ness, lack of compliance, unruliness, pedantry, bullying which is rife.

Plus the absolute mess they made of delivering my second child, both ex wife and the child nearly died, one from blood loss and the baby from suffocation. And my own personal case of misdiagnosed double lobar Pneumonia and sepsis. Which set me back 9 months. My marriage never survived the traumatic birth and its after affects on our marriage. Staff were either incompetent, rude, and then both times attempted to cover up.

Tbf I have bit a little and will pack it in now. No need to ruin the forum for everyone else.
Why shouldn't I focus on the aspect I know about? That's what everyone does when they talk about experience. That's what you asked for.

Genuinely sorry for your ills, but it's still no reason to round on NHS staff. You will only have ever met a tiny proportion of them. And I'll bet incompetence, bullying and lack of compliance etc is rife in the construction industry too.

Incidentally NHS workers have saved the life of my father 3 times in the last 5 years.

No-one is trying to shame you, you've done enough of that yourself with your dismissive comments about "deluded" NHS staff and the work they do, and the "feminine" workers line (that was clearly a dig, no question, and I've no idea why you felt the need to do so).

And at the thrust of it all you're still wrong about the court case. Yet you're trying to claim the high ground with some sort of academic debating level over it. You need to be on the right page first.
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
No, what you've tried to do is focus on an individual emotional aspect (Mental health )to bolster your argument in an attempt to shame me. Tory, brexiteer etc, smear. Bit like Boris really. Then there's the passive aggressive laughing, do the pair of you eye roll too. Then I've got ex left me, karma is going to inflict harm upon me. :rotfl:
Don't agree with me, you're a baddie.

All because I pointed out the court case was related to Brexit, and in this instance was an inappropriate use of the justice system.

And no I do not like a lot of NHS staff, based on meeting both ex partners colleagues, listening to both talking about staff issues, sickness , rude-ness, lack of compliance, unruliness, pedantry, bullying which is rife.

Plus the absolute mess they made of delivering my second child, both ex wife and the child nearly died, one from blood loss and the baby from suffocation. And my own personal case of misdiagnosed double lobar Pneumonia and sepsis. Which set me back 9 months. My marriage never survived the traumatic birth and its after affects on our marriage. Staff were either incompetent, rude, and then both times attempted to cover up.

Tbf I have bit a little and will pack it in now. No need to ruin the forum for everyone else.
You complain that posters have "tried to shame you" by calling you a Tory/Brexiteer yet you have previously labelled them feminine/passive aggressive/whining/socialist etc etc. Maybe if you stop with the generalisations and name calling you'll get a more sensible response?

I'm sorry to read of your medical issues but, for the faults you raised, you're still here along with your child and ex-wife so the NHS did their job. Maybe if they were all pulling a sickie it would be a different story. Throwing out generalisations about something as huge as the NHS, because of your bad experience of a comparatively tiny portion of it, is like me saying that all builders/workmen are work-shy thieving cowboys, because I once had a bad experience with one builder.
 

Bl4ckGryph0n

Distinguished Member
Funding since 2009-2019 has been at 1.1% The lowest period of growth in funding since the NHS began.
It was at 6.3% 1999-2009.
So cuts.
Did you read the full facts link I posted
So it’s been growing then ;) That is not a cut.

sigh some people really can’t tell the truth. And you have the cheek to suggest anyone disagreeing is not telling the truth.
There are some words for people like you.
 

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