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Breaking News - Explosion in New York!

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tejstar, May 5, 2005.

  1. Tejstar

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    An explosion outside a building that houses the British consulate in New York City has shattered windows but there are reported no injuries or structural damage, CNN said.

    I wonder who it could be?
     
  2. pringtef

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    On election day as well.

    Now who would that benefit.................

    Or am I being too cynical?
     
  3. chard

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    probably not islamic terrorists they usually plan more damage than this...could be some last remnents of Irish nationalism in the USA.
     
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    :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

    You just can't leave it alone, can you? :clap: :clap:
     
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    a reasonable guess surely? are we not free to speculate, the original poster asked for our thoughts on the quilty.
     
  7. bjd

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    :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

    You really are in a different world, chard. So the IRA, who, according to you, are too afraid to rekindle violence in NI because of the new Anti-terror sentiment around the world, have decided to attack the very centre of that sentiment......and also the most powerful nation against terrorism. How many previous attacks have the IRA carried out on American soil?

    "A reasonable guess"??? Blatant bigotry, more like.

    Maybe it was the LVF, or the UDA, or the UVF, or the Red Hand Commandoes? A cunning ploy to get Republicans blamed and encourage the USA to launch some cruise missiles at The Falls Road.
    :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

    There is a big difference between reasoned analysis and just immediately blaming one's pet hates for all the troubles in the world, as you post exemplifies.

    Even if, however unlikely, it transpires that dissident Republicans were resposible, your unitial reaction speaks volumes.
     
  8. Tejstar

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    Forgot about that! :blush:
     
  9. chard

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    bjd, please calm down....I do not understand your need to jump to the defense...but I did not say IRA, I specifically said , the last remnents of Irish nationalism in the USA.

    With the IRA neutered as you say, I believe that it is highly reasonable to suspect that some misguided Americans or Republican splinter groups choose to make a petty statement. I believe that islamic terrorists tend to go for a bigger bang than this and stand by my speculation.

    I am sure you agree that there is less support for Unionist groups in the US and would also agree that it is less than likely for their supporters to bomb British property.

    My first guess, irish nationalist sympathisers remains my best guess, unless you have others?

    :clap: I see, a slight caution that I may be correct ;)
    and if it was dissident republicans.....that would simply prove I was !

    You never know it could be just some other lunatics....
     
  10. bjd

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    :rotfl: :rotfl:
    Oh dear, oh dear. Talk about splitting hairs :rolleyes:
    Totally unfounded speculation based on nothing more than personal prejudice. Perhaps you could provide a reason why you choose to blame Irish Republicans/IRA/American Irish Republicans, or whoever it is you are blaming :confused:
     
  11. bjd

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    chard, we I really missed your contributions during your absence. :) It may surprise you to hear that Irish Republicans weren't discussed while you were away, so you didn't really miss out. ;) But I see it hasn't taken you long to get into gear on your return. Blaming the IRA/whoever on this thread and laying into Eire on another one :rolleyes: . It's nice to know that some things will never change :clap:
     
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    Tejstar clearly says 'I wonder who it could be'.

    Nothing wrong with Chard guessing at the Irish. If somebody else had stepped in with it, would you still be commenting? How many options are there? There must only be 5-10 terrorist groups who would do this sort of thing. It wasn't going to be long before somebody guessed Irish!!
     
  13. bjd

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    Well, for one thing, I don't think it's clear whether it was a "terrorist" attack or not at the moment. Rumours are that it was a device manufactured using a toy replica grenade, freely available there.
    I'll ask again, how many times have Irish Republicans carried out attacks on American soil? I think the record hardly makes them favourites, do you?
    I also asked for a reason behind an attack by Republicans, what was the analysis that led to them being blamed. No reply :confused:
    Given the lack of evidence or motive, it would seem to me that it was, as I stated, merely a reflection of personal prejudice rather than a genuine attempt to attribute responsibility.
     
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    Maybe you missed it then?

    With the IRA neutered as you say, I believe that it is highly reasonable to suspect that some misguided Americans or Republican splinter groups choose to make a petty statement. I believe that islamic terrorists tend to go for a bigger bang than this and stand by my speculation.
     
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    That's an analysis :confused: ........ a reason to blame Republicans :confused:

    I freely admit that I have absolutely no idea who carried out the attack. It could be anyone at all, as the FBI are saying. However, if I were to attempt to attribute blame, I would certainly like to have a bit more information. It could be disappointed Dr. Who viewers for all I know.
    I just think it is tiresome that chard feels the need to bring his anti Irish Republican sentiments into so many threads :boring:
     
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    Was this the same statement people were using before Irish republicans first bombed the UK Mainland?

    I am not disagreeing with the fact it looks highly unlikely that Irish Rep's did this, I am just amazed, that so early in a thread, somebody is being lambasted for playing a guessing game at the original posters request.
     
  17. bjd

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    It's funny, but I'm not amazed at who chard chose to blame ;)
     
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    Join in the fun then, and share your pearls of wisdom on whom you think is responsible?
     
  19. bjd

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    As I have already stated, I have no idea. Nor do NYPD or the FBI. It seems they are now not even sure the Consulate was the target, as the building houses many other things, including a large clothing store. Maybe it was someone who was refused a refund?
     
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    I would of thought if it's a clothing company, Animal Rights activists would be more likely.

    Apparently the 'fake' grenade used, had 'Made in Dublin' written on it. :D
     
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    It was two grenades, right? Have they released any new information about this?
     
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    I think they said two toy grenades filled with black powder.
     
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    No that isn't an analysis.

    It is the reasons behind his guess as Chard made abundantly clear.

    I don't agree with it, but I wouldn't entirely dismiss the possibility.
     
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    I don't know if the particular store sells real fur, so it would be premature to blame them :devil:
    I do know, however, that New Yorkers are very strong on consumer rights
     
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    no reply ? give me a chance mate....I was having lunch :cool:

    you want to know why my best guess is republican sympathisers, happy to expand the previous reasoning....

    (by the way I did not mention IRA explicitly because I believe they are unlikely to be directly involved in what is obviously a smal 'gesture' device, after the McCartney murder, the IRA are desperate to build their image in the USA)

    I have 'blamed' no-one...I have given my best guess as requested by the poster.

    I believe it likely that some rep. sympathisers or dissident group with limited resources may feel it an appropriate time to make a point.

    The Republican movement has taken a real beating in the States recently and it would not be a stretch to find someone in the republican heartland of the USA (ie the North East) who feels they would like to hit at the 'old enemy'.

    The fact that the timing, placing and size of the 2 devices looks as thought they were not trying to cause deaths or injuries, would support this belief - the last thing republicans want is to kill 'innocent ' passers-by.

    This leads me to discount Islamic terrorists. For them to risk a sleeper cell to cause limited damage is unlikely - they are more likely to want to hit American targets in America afterall.

    One would suspect that any other group with anti American feeling would also hit a more American target, especially with a largely symbolic action.

    Once again , I may be wrong, I hope I am, that is not the point, my point is that republican sympathisers may appear to be the most likely suspects to put a bomb in front of a British target in North America.

    bjd, there really is no need to take any of this personally, hope my further explanation at gains some recognition from you of my rationale response, its only an opinion there really is nothing to disagree with, I would be fascinated by your analysis of who might be guilty.....but I think Jack Bauer would be ****** off being sent by you to investigate Basque seperatists or the anti-fur brigade on this one ;)
     
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    Did the US government ever outlaw contributions to NORAID given that they are a collection front for the IRA?
     
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    Could have been someone just really hacked off with the British.

    That narrows it down to the French, Spanish, Portuguese, Afghans, Iraqis etc.

    :D
     
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    Any further thoughts on your "unbiased" analsysis, chard?
     
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    You are all wrong....

    It was old man Whitaker, and he would have got away with it if it was't for you pesky kids!
     
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    no bias from me mate, I have taken the trouble to show how this was and still is a best and reasonable guess.

    I don't think you have demonstrated that this was biased, or is everyone you disagree with, automatically biased ?
     

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