BRAVIA is made in Taiwan

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  1. rondha

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    Could anybody confirm about this Bravia is made in Taiwan.

    http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And_Large_Display/Industry/N4T4L3D7?page=1
    http://investintaiwan.nat.gov.tw/en/news/newsletters/0059.html
    http://investintaiwan.nat.gov.tw/en/news/newsletters/0067.html

    I plan to buy my second LCD (actually already put an order but "fortunately" didn't get through) but after reading these I hold back and reconsider my short list again.
    I plan to use it mostly for SD.
    My previous tv spent a long long time survey before buying but still not perfect, so I need some opinions.

    I know that Sony panels are made by Taiwan/China and Samsung, and I still have some thought that the engine (processor) is made in Japan.

    But now even the engine, Bravia, is made in Taiwan.

    Could anyone do the same survey, or give me some input?


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    as long as it is made to specification does it matter if it is made in chop suey?
    taiwan has been host for manufacturing for many years and produced many good quality items,sure many generic and low end equipment also comes from taiwan, but ill bet you that even equipment that is made in japan,germany or th usa etc is all put together using components manufactured in taiwan,
    personally i would look forward to purchasing what your heart desires rather than worry about where it was made, and as sony have put their badge on it you can rest assured it meets with sonys quality standered.
     
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    Let's get some things straight.:lesson:

    Sony's bottom of the line series like U and P series use AU Optronics panels while the more expensive ones (S series and above) use S-LCD (aka Sony-Samsung partnership 50% of shares each , not Samsung alone) panels.

    Many manufacturers like Sharp, Toshiba ect. make some of their TVs in Taiwan, their subcontractor is mainly Quanta Display (QDI , owned by AUO).

    I believe that you confuse "Bravia engine" to "Bravia" LCD series. The processor used in Bravia LCDs comes mainly from Trident Microsystems.

    You can check their profile here: http://www.tridentmicro.com/about.asp

    Hope this helps.:D
     
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    Interesting Yannis...

    I saw the top brands are Trident's customers; i.e. Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, Sharp, Philips.
    Including second brands AOC, Beko, JVC, Daewoo, Funai, etc

    But I could not find Panasonic, Hitachi, Pioneer and Fujitsu among them.

    Sorry if I still refer electronic product to a country as a paradigm (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China), since a lot of new brands are coming up.

    If Taiwan people haven't proven something, Sony and Toshiba would've never bought things from them. The same applies to Korea.

    My short list is getting longer now.
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    Since when were JVC a "second" brand? I have always regarded them as the tops of Japanese equipment.
     
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    :oops:

    sorry, mistyping :D


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    I don't know if they are tops but they are certainly not in the same league with Funai , Daewoo and the rest.:D
     
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    your statement is adequate, as far as electronics devices is considered, maybe :cool:

    The case is not so simple as you say.
    Take a cars into consideration.

    many people say (me too) that Nissan lost their quality, after moving production to the Europe. The same for Toyota, Honda etc.

    Tell me why people miss genuine Japan products ?
    Japan parts is not the only one cure for very good device, assembling quality and CONTROL quality is the way for success.
     
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    Samsung make all their first-party panels in Slovakia, which is not going to win any awards for the worlds greatest country yet they still make fantastic panels. Saying "I'm not going to buy this because it's made in Taiwain' is a really silly thing to say.
     
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    Why does it matter?
    If a TV is made using components sourced from a wide variety of third party companies, it’s inevitable that those components won’t ‘gel together’ as well as those in a TV made completely from components developed by the same, single manufacturer.

    TVs that combine multiple out-sourced components are also prone to suffer the ‘weakest link’ effect, where weaknesses in a single component can let everything else down.

    The Plasmas top brands (Hitachi, Pioneer, Panasonic) claim that their panels are made and researched and developed by their own inhouse manufacturing. They challenge that this is the strong genuine value for their panels.

    http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/myths/production/



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    So do you think Taiwan product is good. At least as good as Sony.
    i.e. Hannspree, Mirai etc?



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    Yes, but S-LCD panels are the end result of Samsung's research and S-LCD is 99.99% run by Samsung employees.

    Sources:
    http://displayblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/21/sony-looking-for-additional-lcd-tv-panel-supplier/
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2760409&postcount=1
     
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    Hang on, you already have and LCD and you are planning to buy another??? And to watch SD on??? And a Sony at that!!! There really is no hope for some of us... Happy viewing
     
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    Why what is wrong with Sony? :rotfl:

    In fact i was reading this earlier today:

    There aren't really any plasma or LCD screens on the market that will do as good a job with standard definition as your trusty Toshiba CRT. That said, plasma screens such as the Panasonic TH42PX600 and LCDs such as the Toshiba 32WLT68 and the Sony KDLV2000 do the best job we've seen with standard-definition pictures.

    http://digitalliving.cnet.co.uk/asktheeditors/0,39101166,49289868-1,00.htm
     
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    Just for information i thought i would list some factory locations across Europe:

    Funai LCD -> Poland (Nowa Sol)
    Hitachi LCD -> Czech Rep. (Zatec)
    Hitachi plasma -> Czech Rep. (Zatec)
    JVC LCD -> Scotland (East Kilbride)
    LG LCD -> Poland (Mlawa)
    LG-Philips LCD -> Poland (Wrolaw)
    Philips LCD -> Poland (Jabil)
    Philips LCD -> France (Dreux)
    Panasonic plasma -> Czech Rep. (Pizen)
    Philips LCD -> Belgium (Brugge)
    Samsung plasma -> Hungary (Budapest)
    Samsung LCD -> Slovakia (Galanta)
    Sharp LCD -> Poland (Torn)
    Sony LCD -> Spain (Barcelona)
    Sony LCD -> Slovakia (Trnava)
    Toshiba LCD -> Poland (Kobierzyce)
     
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    this debate is no different from merc' and bmw building and making parts for their high end cars in india , far east and south africa.
    the idea of having these cars made wholly in germany is no longer done !
    i havent seen there sales down because of it.
    its just the way things are now
     
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    This reviewer must work to different SD standards to me or has an eyesight problem. A friend of mine has a V2000 and we have spent hours trying to get a decent SD picture out of it from DVB-T(Freeview internal and external tuners) and Sky digital (not HD) or straight analogue for that matter. We have given up. My friend is thinking of putting the V2000 in the loft and getting his old Wega out of the garage until such time as most channels including the 1-5 group are available in HD.

    I have seen better SD on other makes even in dubious store demos but even here Sony and Samsung always look even worse.
     
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    maybe the panels are made in house, but the outsourced parts would be the parts that make up the finished television,the panels are of little use without tuners, pcbs, power supplies amplifiers etc etc. and so on.
    television manufacturers make televisions, not the components that make up televisions, thats why when you open up any set you will see daiwoo capaciters and matsush*ta diodes etc etc and so on

    going a bit off topic me thinks.
     
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    The thing that seems to be missed by this thread is that for over a quarter of a century TV's have used components from a variety of different suppliers who more and more in turn manufacture in a variety of different countries. It is irrelevant whether a brand is seen as Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean, European or USA . The TV will be made where it suits the manufacturer according to his cost calculation taking into account labour costs, shipment to the retailer, availability of local component supplies etc.

    So for example a few years ago a European supplied Panasonic or Hitachi or Sanyo or Sharp or ... had probably a 75%+ European supplied content. Even with Sony this was probably over 50%.

    With flat panels being lighter and less bulky than CRTs we are seeing more and more a shift to lo-cost labour assembly plants sourcing components from likewise component suppliers (probably historically the same companies - they have relocated production as well)

    The art for the brands and suppliers is to get their QC right given that their more recent sources will require closer monitoring.

    Only difference is China where sets are assembled largely from chinese components
     
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    See my post above, quite often the components are made by what one may think of as a competitive brand. For example you quote Matsush*ta who apart fom making components own Panasonic and are a major shareholder in JVC.
     
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    Myth
    Plasma and LCD TVs alike are built using bits and pieces sourced from a variety of different manufacturers.

    Fact
    Generally, Plasma TVs tend to be developed and built completely ‘in-house'.

    In the early days of plasma TV, most manufacturers tended to develop their own plasma research and technology, leading to a situation where many companies now have plasma production as an integrated business model. This means that from the panels to processing, plasma screens are generally made entirely within each particular company, giving them total control over the quality of their products.

    LCD TVs, on the other hand, are generally built by using a variety of third-party components, with all the quality assurance issues that entails. And even more confusingly, LCD TVs are traditionally ‘OEM'd' –some companies buy them from another manufacturer and simply put their own brand logo on them. So with LCD, the name on the front of the TV screen you buy may not necessarily be the name of the company that built the main part of the product.

    Example
    LCD screens are manufactured predominantly by ‘third parties' and then sold separately on to different brands for use them in their own LCD TVs. This method can be helpful in keeping production costs low, but buying the core screen component from a third party also reduces the opportunities for individual brands to improve, develop and apply their own quality controls to the final products they release.

    This situation also compromises competition in the LCD arena, as LCD TVs from two well-known rival brands might actually have the same core LCD panel inside, reducing the potential for each brand to develop a quality difference.

    When you purchase a plasma screen you can almost always be sure that the technology has been developed specifically by the brand on the front to give you the best viewing experience, without compromise.

    http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/myths/production/

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    Well i have a 32S2010 (essentially the same set with 32V2000) and the picture is great. You can see some photos here:

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4641730&postcount=1314

    Maybe he should check the antenna or the cables. I don't think that the Sony is to blame.
     
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    Niiice... :smashin:















    I mean, the lady :D

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    Regrettably a still picture shows nothing. The attractive lady also looks a bit plastic to me. The animated film is of course what most dealers use to hide the poor SD performance of LCD's My friend has an excellent aerial and the cable is top class. I have never seen a decent SD picture on a Sony. I went into the local specialist dealer and challenged them to show me a good SD picture on a Sony - what they came up with was a joke. The set was connected to a good aerial again and the internal freeview tuner used. I spent around half an hour with the remote and i managed at least to get something better out of it but it was still not very good.
     
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    seriously, with all these fuss and facts, now I am thinking of buying taiwan made, with 3 years warranty, while waiting for LED backlight technology comes to reasonable price, and sell the taiwan made when the time comes.




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