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Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Techno Freak, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. Techno Freak

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    Hello everyone,

    Just thought I would introduce myself into the forum as I will probably be using quite a lot in the future.

    I have been in to home cinema for a while starting with a Sony 28" widescreen when they first came out and hooked it up to an Aiwa pro-logic midi-system ( still in use ). I now use a 41" sony rear projection set ( about 5 years old now ) fed from a samsung DVD player and still using the Aiwa for sound.

    I bought my first house three years ago and the garage has been crying out to be converted to a cinema room for ages. The way house prices have risen I am in the fortunate position to use a little equity and build my cinema.

    Work started on the coversion at Easter and is almost finished.

    Anyone interested can see the before and after pics here www.techno-freak.com

    The finished room will measure 16' x 9'. As I am overseeing the builders I have been able to hide all the cables in the walls and cieling ready for the equipment install.

    I have just ordered the first components for the cinema:-

    Panasonic PTAE300
    Owl Othello Homevision 7' electric screen.

    Got them from AV-Sales.com and they are arriving on Tuesday - can't wait.

    Any comments on the Panny and the Owl screen would be appreciated.

    I got a bargain on some Eltax speakers. I know they perhaps are'nt the best speakers around but my local retailer screwed up thier prices - I got a pair of Galaxy floor standers and Milenium centre and rears for the grand total sum of £87. hmmm, not bad. They will no doubt get upgraded within the year but I could'nt pass up a deal like that.

    I am looking to get a mount from LMP for the panny, they look like well made bits of kit.

    I just need a Sub, active or passive? for about £150
    A multi-region DVD player
    An Amp.

    I am thinking about a Yamaha DSPAX630 for £229 from Richer Sounds.

    I have no idea what sub and DVD player to go for.

    Anyone had any experience of this amp? Any good?

    I will keep my website up to date with pics of the install if anyone is interested.

    Thanks,

    Tony.
     
  2. Mr_Belowski

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    Hi fella :)

    I've got a Yamaha 630 amp, and I love it. To be honest, you might struggle to find one in Richer's - I tried 3 branches (Yorks region) and none of the had either the 630 or the 640. This is despite both amps being advertised on their website. I think this is normal for Richers - they offer great deals on products they don't actually sock, just to get you into the store :(

    All richer's wanted to sell me was a cheaper yamaha amp without component video switching, and more worringly a set of bloody awful chip-board Gale speakers. I got angry in the Sheffield branch and stormed out.

    Right. Rant over. I suppose I should point out that all the above reflects my own personal opinion and experiences, and should be taken with an appropriately sized pinch of salt - your own mileage may vary, and all that :)

    Anyway. I got a 630 from my local hifi specialist for £270, along with a set of Kef eggs. Not a great price, but a good one, and the amp actually existed. It's a bloody good amp. All the super-dooper cinema sound effect options it has are a bit of a gimick, but other than that I can't fault it. The component video switching is great too - I got an XBox and a dvd player to switch, so it makes life nice and easy, with no noticable drop in image quality.

    One bad point for the amp is that it's got 4 optical but only 1 co-ax digital audio inputs. No big deal for me, but I suppose it depends on your setup.

    I'd definitely recommend the 630. As for sub, it's gotta be powered as this is the accepted standard for any 5.1 system. Dunno about DVD player - I'm sure the DVD forum will shed some light on it. Oh, and you'll love the projector. I got a Sanyo Z1, which is a pretty similar spec. When I fired it up and saw it working for the first time I nearly sh!t my pants :)
     
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    techno freak - welcome.

    I would certainly consider a DVD deck offering both NTSC and PAL progressive scan to maximise picture quality. As Mr_B suggests you may have to cross to the DVD forum.

    However, here is a pie hot DVD player at a cracking price. Refer to the link -

    http://www.shootandshow.com/denon-dvd-2900.htm

    available at www.nexnix.co.uk

    I hope that this will be my next upgrade although multi-region is a must. Its a fine bit of kit.

    Remember to get a player with component video out to ensure you get the best connection available from a DVD deck to your PJ, which happens to be the same as mine. ( unless you consider HTPC)

    Pre set up I would seriously advise you to be patient, dont rush things and make sure things go up level/straight....get some friends over as youll need two or three pairs of hands on this.

    Stay in touch,

    Cap:)
     
  4. Techno Freak

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    Thanks for the info.

    I think I am decided on the yam amp, it seems to get good opinions in the forum.

    I am hoping for a similar pant filling experience when I switch the panny on.

    I demo'ed an AE100 and was very impressed - I am told the 300 is significantly better.

    Cheers.
     
  5. Techno Freak

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    Captain Benefit, thanks for the info on the DVD. Perhaps I should have mentioned my budget first - about £150 tops.

    How do you rate your pj? What size screen do you have?
     
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    its a superb PJ for the money. Nice clear, clean images. I am far from an expert but the colours are great, as is the contrast. Its very quiet to boot and will not bother you at all.

    I have a 5' 8" screen as I felt that this was more than big enough for my room which is about 12 foot long by 9 foot wide. I envy the fact that you are using the garage as the seven foot screen will look awesome in there.

    As for the DVD deck on that budget consider a decent Toshiba deck from Richer sounds or the new Cambridge Audio DVD55 which retails at just £150.00 :eek: :eek: :eek: It has progressive scan too.

    They can be contacted on 0870 9001000 or at

    www.cambridgeaudio.com

    It's reviewed in issue 96 of Home Cinema Choice (this month). Seems like a nice deck for the money and a good budget introduction to the delights of prog scan (better picture).

    Hope this helps.

    Cap:smashin:
     
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    techno, if you demo'd the 100 and was impressed, you will be very impressed by the 300, its way better!

    got a 300 and 6ft screen myself, its stonking! i too am about to purchase a new dvd player...either the yamaha 540 or the sony 930...difference of 100 notes between them though. i will demo them both before buying, i suggest you check out the yamaha too, as it can be bought for 120 quid.

    and the LMP mount is quality too, i fitted mine last week :)

    have fun, home cinema can be nothing else!

    P
     
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    I have just re-read your first post.

    Thinking about it, you could always connect your Samsung DVD player to the 300 using RGB scart as the Pany has a scart socket on the rear:lesson:, or simply use s-video to s-video....

    Just an idea and something for you to consider in the interim period before you splash more cash.

    Cap:smashin:
     
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    For a DVD player, the Panasonic S75 is a great value machine that I have seen on my NEC HT1000 and 7ft screen. It gives a very detailed image with no artefacts or background noise - great for only £120 from www.digital-point.co.uk

    I had a Cambridge Audio 57, but PAL progressive scan was like looking through some fine net curtains, and NTSC PS distorted in high brightness scenes.

    The Tosh 330 may be OK, but I had a 520 which was great except for a slight green shift to the left in PAL. The Panny is as good, if not better than the 520, and with no issues, so will give a better picture.

    If you need PAL PS, then the Limit 9900SE has no issues, but is less sharp/detailed than the S75.

    A good sub would be the Paradigm PDR10 or PS1000. I have a PDR10 and a Rel Q200E (in seperate rooms). The PDR10 isn't as tight as the Rel, but for movies, there isn't a great deal in it.

    HTH

    Gary.
     
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    I second Gary's comments about the Cambridge Audio DVD players. I got a DVD55 and the p-scan output is poor. The component video switching on the amp seems to clean it up a little, but the player often seems to lose synch with the signal, outputing a plain white image for a second or so 3 or 4 times during a movie.

    I'd avoid any of the cambridge audio DVD players to be honest.
     
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    re - Cambridge Audio.

    I've not really seen a CA machine in action but ironically, after reading this months HCC the review actually mentions lyp synch issues....so best avoided.

    Another reasonable budget DVD deck to consider is the new Sony 930 machine which can do both pal and ntsc prog scan to boot and it available on line for just £224.68 inc. VAT and delivery.

    go here -

    www.digital-point.co.uk

    A great spec machine for the cost.

    Cap:smashin:
     
  12. Gary Lightfoot

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    Anybody seen the Sony yet?

    Curious as to how good the PAL PS is, as most machines with it don't appear to be able to do a good job with it.

    Gary.
     
  13. Techno Freak

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    Thanks for all the info.

    I considered using the Samsung player but it is quite old now and I thought a nice new one would give a better picture, plus it's not multi-region.

    As far as cabling goes, I considered using the scart but thought the picture would suffer too much due to the length of cable needed ( 10 meters ). I have got a decent quality cable to connect the RCA video connection ( is that what you would call a composite feed? ). I tested the cable on the samsung upto my 41" rear projection sony and could'nt see too much difference between that and the RGB scart that I use.

    Please don't tell me that I am really going to suffer very poor picture quality using this method as the cable is in and the walls and ceiling are plastered to a nice smooth finish - I would'nt like to have to chase extra cables into my brand new walls.

    The missus is playing Buffy on the X-Box at the moment - can't wait to see what Project Gotham racing is like on a 7' screen.

    Does anyone know if you can use light gun games ( House of the Dead ) on a projector?

    I pick my PJ and screen up tomorrow but then go on holiday in a few days - probably the only holiday I will have that I can't wait to get home from before I have even gone! So it will be a few weeks before all my kit is installed an running. I will put some more pics on my website during the install if anyone is interested.

    Thanks guys, I will go and research all of the kit suggestions.
     
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    Nope, not possible I'm afraid :(
     
  15. Techno Freak

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    I have just checked out the review of the Cambridge Audio DVD55 in this months HCC magazine. It sounds pretty good for the money.

    This progressive scan business, do you need to connect that to your projector in a special way? and is it really worth it?

    Thanks.
     
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    For progressive you scan you need to use the three RGB cables from player to display.

    I had a CA57 and the progressive output was very poor in my opinion - a better player was the Panasonic S75 which was better in interlaced than the CA was in progressive.

    Progressive output quality also depends on the display - some have in-built processing such as Faroudja DCDi which gives a good picture anyway. If the display has a poor processor, then progressive scan from a good player will give a better picture over interlaced.

    Gary.
     
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    If you're going to stick with a composite or scart connection, the p-scan performance of the DVD55 shouldn't be an issue as you can only display interlaced format through these connections. Interlaced output on my DVD55 is good, so I suppose a DVD55 will suffice for the time being...

    However, I strongly recommend that you consider a player that can do decent p-scan, even if you don't intend to use it for a while. Every home-cinema person will fall prey to the dreaded upgraditis. For an extra 50 quid you can buy a player which will still be useful when the urge for p-scan hits you. Which it will. Trust me ;)
     
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    the new Sony NS730 QS, which is a scaled down version of the 930.

    Essentially the same player sans the SACD option. It has both PAL and NTSC prog scan and is available online for less than £150.00:). This seems like a very good buy.

    As Mr_B says, get prog scan now or you'll only want to get one in six months, maybe less.

    Cap.
     
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    Once again, thanks for the opinions. I think I will go the p-scan route as I know myself too well - upgradeitus will kick in Very shortly.

    Got the screen and PJ today, I quickly installed the screen this evening and balanced the pj on a set of step ladders and fed it from my old samsung 709 via composite video with the skanky freebie leads that came with the pj. What can I say - WOW, i was absolutly blown away with the picture quality and brightness.

    I tried a few different discs, must say, the 2 watt speaker sort of lets the whole home cinema experience down a bit - ha ha.

    I have packed it all back up till I finish building the room, plus I go on my holidays for two weeks on Saturday so all the new kit is going in to storage at my folks house till I get back.

    I can't wait to get home and set it all up properly.

    Check out my website www.techno-freak.com over thee next few days as I have just took some more pics of the pj and screen in action.

    I nearly never recieved the kit though - the couriers ( i wont say who ) were worse than useless.

    I told them to hold the parcel today as I would pick it up due to no-one bieng at home - no problem they said.

    I turned up at the depot at lunch time to be told my kit had gone out on the van.

    The manager called the van driver who said he had already delivered it at 9am to my neighbour Mr Jones. ( I dont know any Jone's in the whole street ).

    I thought I had better nip home to check who had my gear. I pulled into my street to see £2k worth of cinema kit sat on my drive in the rain for anyone to help themselves to!!!

    Needless to say, the couriers got a good bollocking.

    Fortunatly, no water penetrated the packaging and everything seems to work ok.

    So, be wary of couriers my friends.

    Anyway, enough belly-aching.

    I am very impressed with the quality of the owl screen. The motors are lovely and smooth and the whole thing seems to be very good quality.The only comment I would make is that the black vertical borders are curled in a little. Something I think will probably hang out over time.

    I am off to browse for some sub-woofer and amp bargains. I will make do with the samsung as a source for now untill I have picked up the rest of the essentials.
     
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    Like the site - loved the fire! :D

    Gary
     
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    Thanks Gary.

    It was my first attempt at a website.

    I have just added a new front page and some pics of the install.....

    When I am back off my hols I intend to completly redo the site.

    It will take an hour or so to update the redirect on my domain but if you want a sneak peak click here....


    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/emma.pryce-baxter/technofreak


    Later...
     
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    Looks good - bet you can't wait to get it finished!

    I did a similar thing to my loft, and used my Samsung 709 as a starter player too. A little Deja Vu moment... :)

    Gary.
     
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    and it looks great so far.

    Welcome to the FP club and keep in touch:), we all want to see how that room looks at the end!

    Cap.
     
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    Hello again,

    Just checking in with an update.

    Bought and installed yesterday -----

    Yamaha DVD S540 - impressed with it
    Yamaha 640SE - VERY impressed
    Eltax sub 10 - ok for the cash

    More pics to come on the website soon.......
     
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    O.K, I have a bit more time to elaborate on equipment now.

    I bought a new DVD player, Yamaha DVD540 multi region - it seems like a decent machine for the money.

    I am very impressed with the overall sound of the new set-up. Dolby Digital trailers and the THX trailer on T2 sound phenominal. However, I am a little dissapointed with dialogue.

    It sounds a bit 'tinny' doesn't seem to have very much warmth and depth.

    DTS fairs a lot better in that department, but still not brilliant.

    Does anyone have any experience of the Yamaha 640? I would appreciate any comments on how you guys have it set-up.

    It does sound better if you use on of the DSP modes, but I feel a bit cheated if I need to use that - surely the pure DD should be best with no need for DSP effects?

    Anyway, now that I have finished the room and installed the kit I have a little spare time to start properly playing with the equipment.

    I installed the PJ on an LMP mount - if anyone is considering one of these mounts GET ONE. The build quality is supberb. Just make sure you have a cieling joist to screw into.

    I will post some pics of my new kit, the finished room and the mount sometime today on my website.
     
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    I am far from an expert but vanilla DD/DTS should sound better than a DSP mode as you are in essence, hearing the soundtrack as the recording engineer intended.

    Whilst this is a PJ forum, it may be worth making sure that the speaker settings are correct and that they intergrate with your sub.

    note that I am not dismissing DSP modes as other may thrive on them. In my humble opinion they can spoil a soundtrack.

    Cap:smashin:
     
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    I am going to post elsewhere on the forum for some advice as I am far from pleased with the music I get from the system.

    If I use the DVD player to play cd's in bog standard stereo, via an optical connection - people sing with a lisp and the bass becomes very distorted.

    It is much better through my ancient cheapo cd player and crappy phono leads!

    I am worried now incase I am not getting the best out of the other areas of my set-up.
     
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