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Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs Forum' started by Vinwolf, Apr 2, 2005.

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  1. Vinwolf

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    Hi all. In late January, I started to redecorate my house and thought about a large-screen plasma/lcd tv for the first time. Finding this forum, I must now have spent the equivalent of at least a couple of days man hours reading and dissecting all reviews. Whew....what an amazing world~ the more I think I know,,,,,the less I actually do. Anywayz, I have come to the conclusion that it's advisable to wait a few months for the tranche of new screens that are HDTV compatible to be released. On a visit to TCR - almost parted with £2700 for the Pio PDP435XDE inc. w/b and speakers. Resisted. Right now, I'm waiting with baited breath for the new Philips 42 9830 LCD with all the bells and whistles (thanks to Jimsan and his extraordinarily useful reflections) - but equally, the new Hitachi's 7200's plasmas look tempting. I guess my questions are as follows:

    1. I have a cosy rectangular room with a viewing distance of about 7/8 ft - is a 42' screen to big?

    2. Whilst I think I'm happy with the LCD/plasma world.....the home cinema world leaves me confused. Is there a high-def DVD Recorder cinema system out of the box?

    3. If not.....Samsung HD 945......seems good. I spose av revceiver and speaker package is then the option. Any ideas? I have an xbox and NTL.

    4. Anyone heard about NTL HD and what is happening???

    5. Anyone recommend any good av specialist in the North-west London area - JL set up is always terrible!!!

    6. Do I need a screen that is capable of the upper end of the HD display (1920 and 1080i)??

    Apologies for the long thread....I feel like a 4 year old who's just discovered McDonalds!!!!!
     
  2. jimsan

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    1. Under normal circumstances 7 - 8 feet is way too close for a 42"! A 32" would be better....
    2. No HiDef Home Ciema system yet! I have the Denon DHT500SD which is a superb Progressive Scan Cinema System that produces superb results.
    3. If you want HiDef playback then the Samsung you mentioned is reviewing quite well and could be combined with the Denon, giving you a good combination of options.
    4. NTL are proposing HD tests shortly, but HD broadcasts are a long way off...
    5. Don't know the London area very well, but the best source for the Denon I mentioned is www.petertyson.co.uk
    6. You don't really need super high resolution screens yet, unless you are feeling very ambitious! Very few of these screens around at present anyway.

    Incidentally the superb features that will be available on the 32PF9380 are not all going to be available on the bigger screens in the same range. I think the scanning Backlight feature will only be on the 32"!

    Hope this all helps...

    Jimmy
     
  3. jimg

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    Vinwolf,
    I have a 37" Sharp and view from 12-15 feet and that is just fine, I could at that distance just about get away with 42".
    Yep, wait a few months and look at the new Phillips and Sharps in particular. At the moment all we know about either of them has been trawled from the web, but you can be fairly sure they will be better than the current generation.
     
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    Doubt u would need to resort to having to put up with a small 32".(yuk)Far better to go for the minimum of 37" but several ppl have 42 " plasma's at that range and are fine.I my self have a 42" pw7 from 10 ft away and looks lovely :)
     
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    This may be alright for the minimal resolution that most Plasmas output - must be hellish blurry though..... but an LCD at that distance would display too many digital artefacts and noise due to their better resolution.

    By all means go for a 37" LCD which will look superb when HiDef starts, but until then current broadcasts will not support a high enough quality to fully support LCD resolution. Plasmas will mostly be a waste of space with HDTV broadcasts however.

    If you did plump for a plasma like Carltons, prepare yourself for a huge disappointment. People with plasmas don't seem to know what they're missing.

    Jimmy
     
  6. Vinwolf

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    Still resisting - but the Pio 434xde still looks good - saw it on HD with a good DVD set and and it was amazing. Major qualms come with NTL feed..... :rolleyes:

    I agree that the colour saturation is different on LCD's yet I am quite taken by the 37' pf9986 so the upgraded models in the summer sound great....what a wait though!

    What does the WI-FI streaming ability mean? Can I play wirelessly direct from my apple powerbook?? :eek:

    Oh - anyone tested the new ysp-1 'pseudo' surround from Yamaha - looks funky to me.
     
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    Ppl with plasma's dont know what there missing.Plasmas will mostly be a waste of space with HDTV broadcasts :suicide:

    I guess a clueless poster :nono:
     
  8. jimsan

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    The only plasmas that will do any justice to proper HiDef broadcasts are the rare ones that have a resolution of 1280x720 or better. A huge proportion of plasmas fall woefully short of this and will not perform as well as an LCD will in this respect. NO ARGUMENTS!

    Signed,

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    OK JIMSAN -

    give me your top three purchases of 'screens' + home cinema setup....

    1 - unlimited budget

    2. - budget conscious

    3 - £1500 budget

    Looking forward your (as always) considered repsponse!
     
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    Hi Vinwolf,

    This is tricky. Not a 5 minute job. When I was shopping for the kit I have now I knew my budget and shopped within it. To give you a considered and worthy reply may take me weeks!

    In my case, I started my search in early Nov '04 for:

    1. A New TV to replace a very worthy and perfectly operational 8 year old 28" wide screen Sony. (First one sold in Scotland, by the way..I think.)

    2. A new Recording device to replace a Rubbish quality Sony VCR.

    3. A Cinema System to replace a 7 year old Pro-Logic Sony Hi-Fi.

    Budget was 'conscious'.

    TV. I spent the longest on this. To cut a very long story short I tested, to varying degrees of thoroughness, nearly 20 different TV's. I made such a pest of myself in the likes of Comet and Curries, but especially Peter Tysons in Carlisle trying every imaginable combination of TV's and DVD's connected in various manners playing various media.

    I quickly ruled out Plasmas due to their lack of development, and numerous other drawbacks, principle of which was their awful resolution in the size range I was reviewing.

    Sony's and Panasonics had dropped out early due to lack of HDTV facilities. So it came down to 3..... The Loewe was good, handsome, but expensive, with no performance advantage over the other two. So it was Sharp versus Philips. Both 32" inch sets with the Philips being the more expensive.

    I went for the best performer. The 9986 is stunning. It cost me £2000 from Empire Direct and has performed flawlessly for 4 months.....let's hope it keeps going!

    The Recorder was easy. Panasonic do a fantastic range of DVD recorders and I plumped for the baby of the range. The E55. (£175). I didn't go for Sky+ as I am waiting for Sky's HiDef STB. This will also have a Hard Disk recorder...SkyHD+?

    The Home Cinema was similarly easy. Every review, both in magazines and in this Forum were drooling unreservedly over the Denon DHT500SD and a quick listen at Peter Tysons soon had me convinced. (£399).

    This whole lot works so well together it makes me grin like an idiot when it is in full swing. Picture and Sound Quality are breathtaking!

    I've bunged the whole lot on a Kenmark glass stand that cost £100 from Index and looks as good, if not better than any Alphason or Optimum stand I have seen.

    So, Vinwolf, I can really only answer one part of your question with any authority with my experience at this time. Given perhaps two to three weeks I could give you an educated answer to the 'Limitless Budget' and 'Tight Budget' parts!

    For the record, however, even on a limitless budget, I don't think there is a better LCD currently available than the 9986. With a bigger budget the 37" may have been tempting, but it would probably have been too big at my viewing distance. (10 - 12 feet). This may change shortly when the new Sharps and, of course, the new Philips 9380 shows face....

    Sorry for the lengthy reply, but I hope this helps...you need to do the research yourself and buy what you like. If that turns out to be a Plasma, then go for it!

    Jimmy
     
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    Vinwolf have you considered getting a scaler out of interest?
     
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    Vinwolf,

    Like Jimsan, I started looking for a new home cinema September last year. I chose a Sharp 32" since my lounge is 10'x10' and didn't want the tv to dominate the lounge. Picked it up for £1300 in Jan.

    I already had a Denon 1601 AV receiver so just needed speakers. These have come in the form of the Canton CD-1 system which is available for £240 delivered. These were nearly £500 in the UK and a lot of people were sourcing them from Germany. A guy on the speaker forum is now selling the package for £240 in the UK. WHF gave them 5 stars and I'm certainly liking mine. Some say they are as good if not better than the MS Genies that are dominating the market at the moment.

    Next purchase will be an upgrade on my DVD player. I'm looking at the Samsung HD745 although later this year there are the new HD850 and HD950 models. With the upscaling on these players, the current crop of LCDs really shine according to some and I can quite believe that. Problem with Plasmas is that most are only set for Standard Def (Around 480 horiztonal lines) meaning if you send a Hi Def signal (720p), the TV will downscale to it's native res.

    With Receivers, take a look at the Denons, Pioneers and Yamahas. I know the new lot of Denons have had high praise, even the low end 1705 model.

    Richie.
     
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    WOW - I turn my back for 5 minutes and get get some great responses. Jimsan - thanks for the thoughtful insights. I have a rectangular room where we are sitting about 8 fr from the screen. I have never sought anything than a 42' screen - but having read your comments, I was in JL today (with missus), and whilst watching the 32' 9986 from about a metre away - it was awash with faults. HOWEVER, whilst inspecting another model, I glanced over my shoulder - and lo and behold, the 9986 seemed like a window into the sewing factory that was Coronation Street via a SKY+ feed. Incredible - even the other half liked it - and I've got to say - it made the 435FDE look pretty ordinary by comparison. So two revelations, - 42' maybe too big and an award winning LCD - with crap setup, can loom pretty darn good.
    To richthorpe and nick, thanks for your views. I (ahem - I use this term loosely.....yes darling,....I'll be over in a second!!), would prefer a wireless setup as 'I' find most system speakers (Mission M1 cubes and a few others aside) quite garish. I am experimenting with the new Yamaha YSP-1 'pseudo' surround system - will let you know the trials. On the DVD front - the Samsung 945 represents good value although I might even go for the DENON 1710 - since it fits my needs and can go via component with not a great deal of loss in PQ.

    Thanks to you all - I AM LOVING THIS FORUM!!!!!!! :clap:
     
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    Vinwolf,

    Correspondingly, it's a pleasure to advise someoe as switched on as you seem to be.

    This Yamaha pseudo surround contraption sounds very interesting. If you do try it let us know what you reckon!

    Jimmy
     
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    Do you need an AV amp if you have the Yamaha YSP-1 ? I thought this has a digital coaxial input for sound straight from a DVD player or $ky maybe. I would have though they would put more than one input on it.

    EDIT: Sorry, me being stupid. I thought the Denon 1710 was the AVR when it's actually the DVD player. If you are going for an LCD, seriously consider an upscaling DVD player though.

    Richie.
     
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    What?? 8 feet way too close for 42"?? Oops forgot i am in lcd tv forum not in lcd projector forum.. sorry.
     

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