Bowie.... what a let down.

Zog

Active Member
Put his Hits DVD on my shopping list. Barely wish I had bothered. It is superbly presented, both with regard to packaging and on screen menus. It also goes without saying that the music is the business too.
BUT..... not one modicum of effort appears to have been put into the sound. Over 40 tracks and all in straight forward 2 Ch. stereo. Absolute PANTS !!!! I know some of it is a little dated, but surely sommat could've been done to exploit the new media.
 

Rambo John J

Distinguished Member
I'm not a great believer in 5.1 remixes for music, but it would have been nice, for those that wanted it, to include the option on the disc. Otherwise it's a good set.
I'm not sure how long the digipack will last though, my lady (it was her Xmas present) has a tendency to play these things to death so it could have done with a sturdier fold-out case.
 

bowenjones

Well-known Member
Originally posted by Zog
Put his Hits DVD on my shopping list. Barely wish I had bothered. It is superbly presented, both with regard to packaging and on screen menus. It also goes without saying that the music is the business too.
BUT..... not one modicum of effort appears to have been put into the sound. Over 40 tracks and all in straight forward 2 Ch. stereo. Absolute PANTS !!!! I know some of it is a little dated, but surely sommat could've been done to exploit the new media.
Doesn't it say what mix it is on the back ?
I would have thought that was the first thing to
check if you wanted surround sound!
 

Rambo John J

Distinguished Member
Originally posted by bowenjones
Doesn't it say what mix it is on the back ?
I would have thought that was the first thing to
check if you wanted surround sound!
I don't think it does.
 

Zog

Active Member
Originally posted by Rambo John J
I'm not sure how long the digipack will last though, my lady (it was her Xmas present) has a tendency to play these things to death so it could have done with a sturdier fold-out case.
It is also available in a standard amaray case.

There is no mention AT ALL of the sound formats on the back of the case.

I can't believe that the man himself had much to do with this release at all. Being such a fan of all things "modern" !
 
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greeny

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Why is it when people on this forum go on all day about seeing something as the director intended do we get plea's for 5.1 sound on music DVD's.

These were all recorded in mono and stereo by the artist and producers at the time, why on eath would you want a 5.1 mix. Some dodgy sound engineer adding his version of what it should sound like and no doubt killing the sound.

Why not ask for a colour version of the elephant man!!!!

Stereo sounds 10 times as good for music as 5.1 anyway.
 

bowenjones

Well-known Member
When Sting first released 'Brand New Day' on cd
I, being a fan of his music since the 70's, thought
it was his blandest effort to date.
Then it was remixed and brought out as a dts 5.1 cd
and WOW what a difference!
This is one album to show how a surround mix can
be superior to the original stereo recording.
I do agree though that not all surround mixes work
but it's great to have the choice!
 

Zog

Active Member
Originally posted by greeny
Some dodgy sound engineer adding his version of what it should sound like and no doubt killing the sound.

Stereo sounds 10 times as good for music as 5.1 anyway.
Thats the point though. Bowie is a huge fan of all things "now!". It needn't have been some "dodgy sound engineer". Why not the man himself?

And it wouldn't have needed to be for all the tracks, just possibly the more recent ones, and give us the choice. Thats what the new technology is all about. More choice for differing tatses, all in the same package.

As for the "stereo v 5.1 debate" for music. Its like anything, done well it all adds to the experience. Don't forget they were only working with the technology that was available to them at the time.

The Elephant Man was different. B & W was CHOSEN as the best medium to translate the directors vision. I don't want that in colour anymore than Rumblefish.

With your attitude you would buy ALL pre DVD films on VHS and Super 8 before that.
 
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greeny

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With your attitude you would buy ALL pre DVD films on VHS and Super 8
This as I suspect you are aware is complete rubbish. Surround sound has been used in films for many years, and for the picture quality we all know DVD is far superior to VHS, so this is a non argument.

DTS 5.1 od DD5.1 is inferor quality to CD Stereo just look at the bit rates. DVD A and SACD are a different story, I have yet to hear any multi channel versions of these but I have an open mind as to their quality/effectiveness etc.

I agree that (for example) the Bowie DVD could maybe have remixed some of the more recent Tracks where the master Audio tapes were available. But remember much of this DVD is as recorded live at the time in mono/stereo etc, there are no multitrack masters available for this.

What I object to though is a simple rejection of the DVD quality because this has not been done. If its done right, then great, the original producers/artists must have a say in this.

I would much prefer the original mono/stereo sound than a 5.1 sound mix put on just for marketing and because forums/pressure groups etc like this demand it. Just look at what happened to the early CD's where no care was taken and appalling sounding albums were released, which had 'perfect digital sounf forever', yeh right!!
 

Zog

Active Member
greeny... you are right to a point, I was being a little OTT. But my initial comment still stands.

I haven't completely rejected the DVD I just expected a little more from somebody with his reputaion. And I think I am right to do so.

This should have been right up his street.
 

Kevo

Well-known Member
Queen attempted a 5.1 mix on their Hits DVD and it's AWFUL.
So bad in fact, I select the 2 ch stereo option.

Beautiful south DVD was the same.

I've yet to hear a decent 5.1 mix on a music DVD.
 

Zog

Active Member
Heard plenty of decent 5.1 music mixes.
Talking Heads (2 on the same disc, Studio and Concert), Super Furries, James and Moby.
 
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greeny

Guest
Point taken Zog.

And I agree if anyone was likely to do this well then Bowie is your man.

I suspect future Bowie DVD product may well go down this road. But the existing DVD being mainly of archive performances was probably not best suited to this.

I still think it is a good package
 

Zog

Active Member
i still love it.......... guess its his own fault for setting such high standards and so upping our expectations.

Perhaps he could be crap for a while then all would be well.......

Whoops. forgot........ he's done that too. Tin Machine !!!!
 

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