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Bourne Identity R1 Vs R2

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  1. BabylonP

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    I just thought this comparison would be of interest.

    I compared the Bourne Identity R1 vesrus the R2 copy using a Denon DVD A1/Sony VPL10HT projecting onto a 9 foot screen. The output for both disks was progresive scan.

    Aspect - The ratio shown on the R2 disk was not the full image shown on the R1 disk and side info has been cut.

    Detail - Here the R2 disk wins hands down showing much more detail in textures etc.

    Colour - Both disks were very similar and not much difference was seen.

    Sound - Both equally good in DTS and DD.

    Presentation - The R2 disk contained no insert and the quality of the printing on the front of the disk was not very good. The R1 disk is far superior in this respect. Also the Language choice on the R2 disk at the very begining, WHY ????? This should have been part of the language submenu on the disk.

    Other - One thing I did notice was that the film was not setup correctly for 3:2 pulldown. The DVD A1 did not at any time show that the disk was film material. The R1 disk on the other hand chnaged into film mode straight away as it should. I have a few other R2 disks that seem to behave like this and there is no reason for it.

    So all in all an interesting exercise but it does show that when it comes to DVD releases the studious are not to bothered with the R2 disks compared to thier R1 counterparts, hence it does not matter about presentation for the UK buyer etc etc.

    The upcoming Bond release will be very interesting to see if they truly make it the same as the R1 version. I feel another comparison coming.

    Phil
     
  2. James45

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    interesting comparison

    you say the R2 has much higher levels of detail, surely that's a big, big plus for the disc. and while it should matter in principle I am not too fussed about the quality of on-disc printing.

    I think I will go for the R2 tbh.
     
  3. BabylonP

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    James

    Agreed but it not often you get a chance to try one against the other.

    My real question here is why has the aspect been changed and why isn't the 3:2 pulldown correct. I am not aware of any reason why these should not be the same as the R1 release, plus we get the PAL picture which in theory should be better 575P vs 480P.

    Phil
     
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    Interesting comparision Phil.

    Is there a lot of picture at the sides lost on the R2? Sounds very strange to me and I don't like the sound of it.

    So basically it comes down to more picture on the R1 but less detail, and more detail, but less image at the sides on the R2.

    I think the R1 looks better for me.
     
  5. BabylonP

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    If I was to guess the aspect was in between 2.35:1 and 1.85:1.

    However on a 9ft screen it was obvious something was missing.

    Phil
     
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    Why would you have or even want 3:2 pulldown on a PAL disc? :confused:

    Can the A1 do 2:2 pulldown?
     
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    I noticed TheaterTek in Auto mode didn't see The Bourne Identity R2/PAL rental as film mode.

    I watched the whole bloody thing thinking there was a lack of vertical resolution, then tried switching to manual Film mode.

    Argh!

    Is the lack of 2:2 pulldown detection common for PAL films?

    regards,
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    Well I haven`t got that screen size, more like twenty something inches. so I`m not too worried about having the R1. Nice comparison though.
    One more point:
    may it be that the R1 is 2.5 or so and the UK only 2.35??
    that sometimes happens, no?
    oh well never mind.
    U forgot to mention that the UKR2 has a HULK trailer absent from my R1
     
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    Was the Bourne Identity shot in Super 35 or Panavision is it presented on region 2 disc as 1.78 aspect ratio or 2:1, is it possible its a director approved ratio or have the company releasing it done a channel 4 and butchered the viewing experience by presenting a 2.35 ratio film in 16:09 mode
     
  10. BabylonP

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    I am not sure but there was most definately less image on the R2 version. Whats interesting is that the box states 2.35:1 anamorphic and so does the R1 release. But the visual images are not the same. Somebody is telling porky pies. My bet goes to the UK version
     
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    As Jeff says you are looking for a 2:2 sequence in PAL land. Also the DVD is just reporting how the disc is flagged. Many discs are flaggged wrongly. This is a probelm for software players or de-interlacing solutions that look to flags to work out what method to use for de-interlacing.

    A more robust methid is to actually look at the picture information and work it out that way.

    The fact the sizing of the image was different might have nothing to do with the information recorded on the disc. It is quite possible that the projector loads up different memory banks for geometry settings based on incoming scan rate. The 576P one might have too much overcan applied.

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    Gordon - that might as well have been written in Klingon for all I understood. Are you saying that the problem might be in the projector and not with the disc :confused:
     
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    Funny thats what I thought Gordon mean't, so I tried a few more R2 disks tonight and they had the correct aspect ratio. So its not the projector.
     
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    That's exactly what I meant. You need a test disc with overscan pattern to work out where the issue is. I'm not saying that you are wrong, just that there is more to it than first appears.

    Gordon
     
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    Just watched the R2 version, great film, very good DVD transfer.
     
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    I had this out on R2 rental, then bought the R1 version. Both screens looked the same. Both 2:35.1 and both excellent transfers.

    Just bought the R1 version, coz of the speed-up. But couldnt really tell any difference.

    John
     
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    I just got reg 2 today for £8.99 from WHS but I was told I had credit due so I got it for £8.47.
    Just hope it’s a good film, as I enjoyed the mini-series.
     
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    Garrett,

    I've never seen the original but I thought this was a very good film - I'm sure you will enjoy it :) The soundtrack is good too, there is one moment that made me jump out of my seat :eek: :D
     
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    The original was a cracker for a mini series.
    I just read Richard Chamberlain who was in the original has come out, even though it has been suggested before.
     
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    Wow :eek: Never expected that one!
     
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    Any double-entendre in my above post were slip ups.:laugh: :rotfl:
     
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    i think every body jumped out of their sit at that point!!
     
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    Squirrel God and mjn I did not jump out of my seat as somebody told me there was a scene that would make me jump out of my seat so I spotted it coming a mile off.

    I think I preferred the original, the plot seemed a bit different from what I remember and they say they change it from the book to make it more up to date.
     
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    Guess I spoiled it for you then, sorry :(

    Was there a mini in the original? :D
     
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    I do not know but I have just ordered the book this morning so I will be able to tell you (hopefully) what was used in the book, and how it ended, which I think was different from the film.
     
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    Nice one. I'd be interested to see the differences between the two :)
     
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    With a bit of luck it will not be that naff alternative they used on the extras.

    And the out of the chair bit was it SPOILER [COLOR=f4fff] The bit where the bloke jumps through the frosted glass.[/COLOR]:eek:
     
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    The alternate ending was indeed pants. But it has the advantage of using that wonderful song by Joseph Arthur :clap:

    Yep, that's the out of the chair experience, G. Frightened the life out of me :(
     
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    That’s not rymng slang is it?
     
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