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blu-ray?? hd-dvd?? don't make me laugh

Discussion in 'Televisions' started by phetttt, Feb 5, 2005.

  1. phetttt

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    Check this link out - it's interesting

    http://macuser.pcpro.co.uk

    New industry consortium to promote holographic storage

    so do you still want blu-ray, hd-dvd??
     
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    It's interesting, but until there are announcements from the major studios that they will release content on HVD it's hard to take it seriously as a medium for pre-recorded content. Also, HVD is probably still a few years away from being a consumer product. HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be with us within the year.
     
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    Not saying it isn't going to happen - but it is years away. After all I think I first heard it mentioned on "Micro Live"... (How many people here remember that show?)
     
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    Yep I heard about this a looong time ago! Bit it simply wont come out before HD DVD and Blu Ray.

    Even if we only use BR And HDDVD for say 2 or 3 years, thats still 5 years from now.
    Are you going to wait 5 years for HVD while the rest of use are enjoying hi def movies now?
     
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    That link doesn't take me to the story. Can someone put it up. Is it the 1,024GB HVD?
     
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    I doubt anybody will want it when it's launched. All it will offer is greater capacity and more recording options. Why would I want to record more than two Tv channels at once? It's hard enough finding one I want to record.
     
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    It might not happen that often, but it does happen. I've been recording tv shows for my brother who's at uni and only has access to the basic 5 channels. I've also been recording sex and the city for my mum. On a number of occasions 2 shows that I've wanted to record overlap. Sometimes I might want to record the football highlights and a movie when I'm out. While you may not find it very useful, I certainly would.
     
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    Anyway, forget HVD discs with it's measely 1-5 TByte discs. The Collosal Storage system is what you should be thinking about. Michael Thomas, inventor of the 'atomic holographic optical storage nanotechnology' and owner of Colossal Storage, (a holographic disc the stores info at nano level). He states that:

    "One of his 3.5" disk using five nm particle with 100 u in.ing will equal ~ 1.5 EXABYTES of data storage where, 1.5 Exabytes equals 1536 Petabytes or 1,572,865 Terabytes per each 100 u in. of coating."


    1,572,865 Tbytes. Bit more impressive than HVD's 1 Terabyte or so to say the least. About 171 million 9.4GB dvds, or 32 million 50GB Blu-Ray discs. To give you an idea how huge that really is. Still, I assume both formats are a long way away for the consumer. Although Collosal discs wil probably start of nearer 10 Terabyte level it would seem. Imagine the potential for that amount of storage. One disc that stores all you're digital media/storage needs film, tv, music, pc etc. I would assume the disc will be able to stream to multiple divices simultaneously throughout the house. Perhaps internet speeds will be sufficient so that you buy movies, music etc over the net making HMV et al redundant.

    http://p2pnet.net/story/3769

    http://www.colossalstorage.net/home_diskdrive.htm
     
  9. TommyVecetti

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    People are not going to upgrade to this format just for this option though. Not considering how having to record more than one thing at once is only a minor inconvenience that can be worked around. And since it offers nothing better than HDTV quality, people won't bother at all.

    I'm sure they'll bring out HDD set top boxes that have mulitple tuners anyway.
     
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    :suicide:

    Where does it end?

    Im still having trouble thinking in terabytes, never mind exabytes!

    To be honest, i have troubel filling up my 120gb hard disk (unless its with video), I cant imagine filling up something that big.

    Still, bring it on. You can never have too much porn!
     
  11. TommyVecetti

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    It's like Gary Busey said. Technology has to run parallel to humanity. At the moment people are inventing formats that nobody really needs.

    7 days non stop recording time? Get a life!!!!
     
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    Assuming your display device filled an entire wall of the viewing room -- how much data do you think you'd need for a feature-length film in cinema-quality resolution + eight or more sound channels plus extras...

    It doesn't make sense to me to think about what consumers "need" -- in affluent societies, improvements in technology and manufacturing capabilities will be offered to consumers. That's the nature of the capitalist beast. I personally wouldn't have it any other way!
     
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    What people fail to appreciate is that these huge storage devices, (that also have huge transer rates), have massive implications for business. I have no idea how much new content the BBC would create in hi-def in one year, but I assume that it would take up a huge amount of storage. Imagine if a whole years BBC output could be stored on 1 disc. You just have to use your imagination a bit. Apparant;y HDD are unlikely to exceed 500GB or so. Larger capacity drives will require multiple drives to be put in the lone box usede in parrallel or something. 1 Collosal disc may be sufficient for a whole office!?

    Some people have thousands of dvds, cds etc. Imagine all of these on 1 disc that can be accessed like a huge juke box from various points in your house and simultaneously. Perhaps you can record tv from multiple channels simultaneously as well, meaning that you don't need seperare player/recorders for each member of the family. Theoretically, digital content could be bought directly from the company that produces it, (via online delivery), and at a fraction of the cost as you remove the cost of producing the discs and packaging, shipping, middlemen, shops profit, V.A.T. etc etc on the whole amount etc. If I can buy a new dvd shipping in all for £11 from Canada, there's no reason why they couldn't deliver the film to me online for £5 say.
     
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    Such a device already exists in the USA. I forget what it's called though.


    It's a nice idea in theory, but how much effort is it really to take the DVD you want off the shelf and watch it?
     
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    True, but imagine every room in the house has access your dvd collection. Instead of 3-5 players, you have one. Instead of 3-5 cd players you have one, is you pc storage, tv recordings. etc etc. Convergence seems to be the way things are heading. Just maybe not for 10-20 years.
     
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    It's a nice thought, being able to walk into a room and start your favourite film or music by voice command anywhere in the house, but it would be a bit sterile. Call me old fashioned.

    My only other problem with mass storage devices is that I easily forget what I have (because it's not in it's own box on the shelf), and so it doesn't get a look in. There's so many movies showing all the time on SKY that I just keep forgetting to watch, and I end up just pulling a DVD off the shelf because I can see it there. I also like collecting stuff, and then going to admire the collection, as well as watch it.

    Also, they'll always be a number of films I have that will forever remain stored in my large combination brief case, away from from missus prying eyes. :D
     
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    Found the opposite is true with CDs, once I'd ripped 1000 CDs to a nice network storage device in Apple Lossless format I found that I listened to a much wider collection because it's there on screen. Also browsing iTunes stores leads to links and associations that mean more new music is tried too.

    Therefore I beg to differ with you and think same would happen with movies and television. Imagine that you could see an archive of movies and in a similar way to IMDb and go through links and click on say Johnny Depp and get a list of his films, or have recommendations in a similar way to Amazon; I bet you would watch a far wider range of content than the DVDs sat on your shelf.

    It won't be long before storage is cheap enough that one could rip 1000 DVDs the way I have ripped my CD collection. Question is ... who will run the iTunes equivalent?

    StooMonster
     
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    Yep - have to agree. I've listened to loads more of my music since I ripped it and have it available via PCs around my house and on my iPod.
     
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    I'd prefer to get off my arse and go down to blockbusters to be honest. :D

    Which is what I enjoy doing more than sitting in front of a screen looking at endless lists.
     
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    I would rather look at an endless list, than Blockbusters "choice" of movies they want to stock.

    A compromise would be if Blockbuster had the endless list, and then wrote your choice of movies to rent on demand to some memory device you take home and plug in
     
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    What happens when you have ripped 1000 DVD's and 100,000 Mp3's to your new mass storage device.........and then it breaks? :eek:
     
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    Blockbuster would prefer it if you didn't go down to choose. Hence their postal service via orders from the web. How much easier would it be to order from them over the web and have the film piped to your home via broadband. No having to return them by post. No late delivery charges.
     
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    I realise this - my compromise suggestion was in response to TommyVecetti who preferred to get up off his arse and go to the store.
     
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    Well storage will be so cheap at this point that you will have duplicate redundant storage devices RAID style...

    The bigger problem is if someone nicks it. RAID doesn't help much then.

    Which is why ultimately its just easier to stream everything from a massive mediastore in the sky via broadband - and let someone else be responsible for reliability.
     
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    I realise you realise this. My point was that Blockbuster themselves want to keep you on your arse.
     
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    Sterile... in what way?

    The thing about Sky movies is that there already paid for and you know they'll be repeated at least 100 times. Therefore, the tendancy is to not bother. It would be different if you were downloading movies via BB as you would be paying for them, (£10, perhaps less). Dvd collections are great til you have hundreds if not thousands of discs. Then it becomes a storage problem. I would far rather have all my dvd collection on a centalised box where I could watch any of them from any room where there was a tv. I know such systems already exist but they cost £20k or so. On one of these jukeboxes you can download the cd/dvd covers so that you have something to remind you of the film in question. In the same way as you select a track on the juke box down the pub.
     
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    Its a great thought, dont the jukebox type systems have a limit to what they can store though?

    Having massive storage would be great for the reasons already mentioned, when we start getting HUGE storage space, our internet connections should also be fast enough to download movies fairly quickly (hopefully :D ) to have one storage unit and being able to pick a movie you want, download it and not have to think about where you are going to find space for your DVDs is what i'd want.

    The storage unit could easily be made into something the same size as a DVD player, connect it upto a TV network so it can be accessed on any tv around your house and an internet connection and you'd be ready to watch ANYTHING you'd like (if there were movie download sites) it'd be so easy.

    I buy all of my DVDs over the internet anyway, i just have to wait for it to be delivered. Cutting all that out to me would be the next step.
     
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    Yeah, but then me and my mates miss out on a fun ritual going down to blockbusters to pick out a film and flirt with the girls that work there. :rotfl:

    You may want to live a bionic sterile lifestyle, but a lot of people don't.
     

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