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Blown away - Pioneer PDP 505XDE

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  1. SPURS1882

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    :D Hi All

    Just hung up and set up my Pioneer PDP 505XDE..............

    To say i was blown away is an understatement.

    Still droooooooooling while i am typing this message.

    Any comments from other owners?

    Michael :D
     
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    Whats pq like on sky as im thinking of getting one as i dont think i can wait for the new panny?
     
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    Had my 435XDE now for about a week! :)
    So happy with it.

    I am still fiddling with the picture settings to find the best optimum picture for Sky Movie channels and Sky Sports Channels (Football)

    I had it just perfect with lovely football pitch with grass looking like grass instead of the look that the t grass been digitally painted.

    I wish I'd made a note of those settings as I can now see slight digital distortion.

    My wife says I'm been fussy as it looks fine to her. But I KNOW it can look better with just a slight tweaking adjustment/

    My Denon DVD with HDMI output looks absolutely splendid.

    I know people have posted their picture settings to this forum, but I am having a hard time finding them. Can anybody help?

    Brendan
     
  4. Leerock

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    I ve saved the settings that people posted and are happy with them in a word document that i ve upload to yousendit and you can download it from here
    have fun

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  5. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    Leerock: I understand that our document was created as a useful tool for other users but I have a couple of problems with it. First the posts on this forum are copywrite of AVFORUMS and I'd hope you have sought Stuarts permission before making this document a public download.

    Second the post of mine you have used has been taken out of context. It was in reply to someone wanting to know a basic set up for first 100 or so hrs I believe. I would ask that if you are going to continue to use it....and Stuart is amenable...that you alter mine slightly and add the following.

    MNR: This can be of use on noisy sources although it does tend to remove detail.
    DNR: Again is useful on some noisy sources but usually at minimum. The more you put on the more other artefacts are likely to appear like snail trails.....ie a shadow effect when things move across screen.
    DRE: Low or Off are my prefered settings. I've done calibrations both ways.
    Power save: Putting power save on changes gamma tracking and I advise it's left off for most accurate image.
    For Film source material you should have Cinema mode on Standard or for 60Hz sources I believe ADVANCED is a good option. I've only done calibrations with prog scan DVD players and scalers on these screens so haven't had to worry too much about this.
    RGBCMY: Never adjust RGB parts of these settings

    Cheers,

    Gordon
    Glad everyones enjoying their plasmas!
     
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    Hi Yid,

    Had my 505XDE since December & it's fantastic :D :D , Just got a new Denon 3910 DVD with HDMI & the PQ is amazing it's a shame you can't get SKy that clear!! LOL (no chance in my lifetime!!)

    Just waiting for Gordon to come & tinker with the settings to get it buzzing on all cylinders!!

    I would like more inputs on the Media Box however!! that's the only downside I've got with the whole setup! Didn't notice at first until I started playing & adding devices (2 DVD players, Playstation, PC etc......)

    Conor.
     
  7. Leerock

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    oops
    I think you re right gordon but
    the file I ve posted isn t for public download coz only the members of this forum can get the link.
    It s not in a website where anybody can access it.
    This is how yousendit works.
    The problem is if unregistered users can access the forum.( i don t know that)
    Although the file will be available in yousendit servers for one week and then will be automatically deleted.


    Anyway I m going to delete the link right away coz i ain t got stuarts permision
    Sorry if i made a clodishness :rolleyes:

    I ll copy and paste the document in here for Brendan
     
  8. Leerock

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    Settings
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    scrowe DVE

    Input 1, RGB Scart showing Sky
    Contrast 30
    Brightness +5
    Colour -8
    Tint 0
    Sharpness -3

    Pro Adjust All Off except for
    Colour Temp Mid
    MPEG NR Mid

    (MPEG can make a huge difference to perceived quality, but you can lose lots of picture detail,
    most obviously it removes freckles from people's faces.

    (DRE can have a huge effect on the look of the picture by emphasising dark and light areas,
    but if you have contrast and brightness set correctly this should be Off for a realistic
    picture)

    Input 2, Component from DVD
    Contrast 25
    Brightness +5
    Colour -8
    Tint -5
    Sharpness 0

    Pro Adjust All Off except for
    Colour Temp Mid
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    El Geet

    Ok...here are my settings for Sky viewing:
    Contrast 40
    Brightness 4
    Colour -9
    Tint 0
    Sharpness -1

    Pro Adjust:
    Pure Cinema - Off
    Colour Temp - Mid-Low
    MPEG NR - Off
    DNR - Off
    CTI - On
    DRE - Mid
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    Mattyboy_W ( Polla Eytyxismenos)

    Brightness +0
    Contrast +22
    Colour -15
    Tint +0
    Sharpness -2

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    nickeddle

    Set all inputs to AV Selection = Movie (Input1 ... Input3)
    Contrast=32
    Brightness=+4
    Colour=-6
    Tint=0
    Sharpness=-1
    Pro Adjust
    Pure Cinema = OFF (or at least STANDARD if you really need it)
    Colour Temp = Mid-Low
    MPEG NR = Low
    DNR= Low
    CTI = On
    DRE = Low

    Power Control=> Enegy Save = Save

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    wiped

    This was calibrated using video essentials and thx optimizer.
    Contrast: 34
    Brightness: +6
    Color: -1
    Sharpness -1
    Tint 0

    In the advanced settings dialog i have not started to mixture with the color settings so it's set to mid.
    Purecinema set to off. ALWAYS...
    ALl other digital enhancers etc set to off except DNR which i have to LOW.

    For normal RGB tv (digital) signal i use:

    C: 25
    B: 0
    C: -4
    T: 0
    S: -1

    Advanced settings, all to off here also except DNR to low.
    The setting here is not the optimal but it's a image that is not to bright to watch for many hours and it feels "good" to also "save" the screen somewhat , i also have powersave to ON when watching normal TV and off for HDMI DVD

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    jaguar

    I got these settings from a German magazine where they tested the 50" pio.
    Before the test the panel was calibrated to these setting.

    They also wrote about:
    RGB High : 15/7/1
    RGB Low : 4/2/0

    The RGB high and Low refer to the manual colour temperature settings.

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    Fella

    After receiving lots of emails here are my settings after the ISF callibration:
    Contrast:25
    Brightness:+8
    Colour:-10
    Tint:0
    Sharpness:-1
    ADV
    Colourset:hand
    Mpeg:low
    Dnr:low
    Cti:eek:n
    Dre:eek:ff

    Note:These settings are used with a greyscale of 6500 K

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    scrowe

    Turn off all the default 'Advanced' Picture settings, Pure Cinema, MPEG, DNR, etc. I have Colur Temp set to low, Contrast around 27, Brightness +1, and Colour -6, Sharpness -3. These gave me the best Sky picture via media box…

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    Leighwilly

    I've been advised on this forum that the following is best for the first 200 hours

    Brightness +0
    Contrast +22
    Colour -15
    Tint +0
    Sharpness -2

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    MPK

    Everyone seems to be saying that the Pioneer Pro Adjustments should be switched off. This might be true for the DVD via HDMI connection, but after playing around for many hours, I believe some of the settings improve the picture significantly:

    MPEG NR I have on Mid as I get quite a lot of mosquito noise on digital cable depending on the channel (Sky probably as well)
    CTI on
    DRE low, which in my opinion improves the black levels
    NR low
    Pure Cinema off

    For the HDMI connection I only have CTI on.

    I'm not quite sure how the "purists" who switch everything off cope with mosquito noise of digital broadcasting?
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    teoterone

    MPK my setting are exactly the same as yours, but I have DRE off because I find that dark colours are completly lost as black so detail is reduced.


    MPK

    According to Pioneer "the Dynamic Range Expander enhances the dynamic range by adjusting the dark and bright portions on images so that the contrast between brightness and darkness becomes clearer, producing the most vivid of pictures."

    I noticed that if you set the DRE to low and then increase the brightness so that in your DVE test patterns you have the right brightness, it actually enhances the black levels, which is generally a weakness of Pioneer.

    Regarding CTI, Pioneer claims the following:

    "Ordinary plasma displays have a hard time accurately rendering a colored image laying over another colored image — for example, a man in a blue jacket standing against a red wall. The usual result is a dithered pattern and an inaccurate combination of colors where the two images intersect. Digital Color Transient Improvement (C.T.I.), a Pioneer PureDrive development, smooths out edges of color images so that they¢re more distinct, and colors are more precisely reproduced."

    I do notice a slight improvement with CTI set to on, but not much

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    Costas

    Brightness to about +6 or +8, Color Temp to Mid, DRE to Mid, Sharpness at 0 and Tint at 0.

    I find hard to see based on your settings the DVE setup DVD disk accepted a
    brightness of +1

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    Gordon @ Convergent AV
    ( Basic setup for the first 100 hours or so)

    Set MODE on Pioneer to USER: Set contrast down to around 10-20ish.
    Make sure POWER features are off (I think the off setting is Standard or something liek that)
    Set ColourTemp to MID or LowMid
    Turn off all Noise reductions and enhancements in Pioneer advanced settings.
    Adjust brightness and colour to suit. Usually find colour will be turned down to -6 ish. Brightness probably around 0.
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    MNR: This can be of use on noisy sources although it does tend to remove detail.
    DNR: Again is useful on some noisy sources but usually at minimum. The more you put on the more other artefacts are likely to appear like snail trails.....ie a shadow effect when things move across screen.
    DRE: Low or Off are my prefered settings. I've done calibrations both ways.
    Power save: Putting power save on changes gamma tracking and I advise it's left off for most accurate image.
    For Film source material you should have Cinema mode on Standard or for 60Hz sources I believe ADVANCED is a good option. I've only done calibrations with prog scan DVD players and scalers on these screens so haven't had to worry too much about this.
    RGBCMY: Never adjust RGB parts of these settings

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    Tomo1971

    PICTURE MENU
    AV SELECTION STANDARD
    CONTRAST 16
    BRIGHTNESS +8
    COLOUR -4
    TINT 0
    SHARPNESS 0
    PRO ADJUST MENU
    PURE CINEMA STANDARD
    COLOUR TEMP MID-LOW
    MPEG NR LOW
    DNR MID
    CTI OFF
    DRE MID
    NO CHANGES TO COLOUR MGT
    POWER MENU, ENERGY SAVE STANDARD
     
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    hi, just wondering if any of those settings can apply to the pioneer pdp-435fde? i am having trouble getting good pictures on sky using a ixos scart lead grass looks fake on football matches. peoples faces look to sun tanned!
    and the screen burn when playing xbox games can be bad. i have had the screen for 3 weeks. I would appreciate any help anyone can give.
    thanks in advance
     
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    Thanks Leerock! (I have already downloaded the document! )
    I've tried a couple of those settings and I must say that they give a much better picture.
    I guess I am going to need to end up with two sets of settings...
    One for daytime viewing when the room is bright, and one for night time movie viewing in a dark room.

    I going to have fun playing with your document under different lighting conditions.

    Thanks again

    Brendan
     
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    When an italian magazine (AF digitale) tested a few months ago 435 they wrote that reached 6500K just putting color temperature to low.
    I put mine to low with good results.
     
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    6500K is not what you are trying to achieve. You can get 6500K and have a very poor calibrated image. Next time I am at a XDE I'll see which setting comes closest to correct while still being nice to watch. I suspect it's mid-low.

    Gordon
     

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