Discussion in 'Sport' started by GrahamC, Oct 12, 2005.
What are your opinions on this artical
Damn you beat me to it
Actually, I think at the top level, you can make quite a bit more than a top pornstar? Not that I know how much they earn
Good, but then Fifa under Blatter have a record of doing things half heartedly
Didn't BBC's Panorama do a "special" on Blatter & fifa ? If its the show I remember , he needs to get his own house in order first .
If eveything he plans come true then all the better for it.
Shan't be holding my breath though.
Agree with him 100% tbh. Footballers wages are a disgrace, in particular when compared to the amount of actual playing, and more importantly entertaining, they do nowadays.
The days of justifying high wages as it was a 'short career' compared to the ordinary joe who had 'a job for life' are long long gone. Who the hell (bar multi milionaire directors) has a 'job for life' these days?
What makes me laugh is there are still idiots in the press making comments about how players were 'underpaid' in their day! Underpaid!? £100,000 a year for a mid table 1st div player when the national average was £18,000! I think NOT!
Agree with dom though, he's all hot air when it comes down to doing something about it............
Tom Cruise £20 mil a movie (6 months work)
Robbie Williams £80 mil Record contract (hardly selling millions)
M Schumacher £20 mil a season (has been good value til this year )
Nobody complained in the Eighties when Italian clubs were paying big money .
If someones willing to pay you it , why shouldn't you earn it ?
Erm, yes they did. UEFA warned back then that the big wages being paid would damage the game. A certain Brian Clough was already pointing to the way players were blackmailing clubs back in the 70's.
Tom Cruise earns $20 million a film yes, but that's obscene too.
As for F1 drivers, they'd have to pay me mega bucks to risk my life every week during a race season.
they are vastly opverpaid no question.Its just a sport after all ,22 idiots kicking a ball.In the scheme of things footy isnt that important. Is anyone going to suggest they are worth more than doctors who save lives or teachers who are the cause and effect of a successful economy( the only profession to be so)Nah!
So many things to comment on here.
Firstly johnscarlet, you say nobody complained about Italians paying big wages in the 80s - you seem to be taking it that Blatter is attacking just the English game here. I think he is talking about footballers in every league. And Italy still pays massive wages by the way.
Secondly, when its mentioned that Blatter needs to get his own house in order first, I couldn't agree more. I am an avid football fan who thinks that greed is killing the game over the last few years, and it will only get worse. Blatter slags off the players, but UEFA/FIFA have constant junkets all round the world, in 5-Star hotels, with highly priced meals, limos, (hookers?). Why do they always do their draws in Monte Carlo? I rest my case.
I have been lucky enough to have been at 4 x Champions League finals since 1998, by buying tickets from touts at between £100 - £180. At every one of these games I seen vast numbers of people who had no interest in the game. Lets call them 'suits'. Perhaps they were directors/employees from Ford, Mastercard, Visa, Budweiser etc etc. I remember in Amsterdam Arena in 1998 I was sitting at the edge of the Madrid fans over one of the corner flags. About 20 feet to my right the Madrid fans ended, and then the entire side of the pitch stretching down to the next corner flag was supposedly the neutrals. Admittedly there was probably quite a few Dutch public here, but there was thousands (no joking) of people with suits and id badges round their necks. Free tickets for the sponsors. It is awful to stand outside a stadium on final night and watch fans desperate to get in, when women in suits dander in past them. Don't mean to be sexist here but there weren't there for the football !! Very sad.
I realise that sponsors plough big money into football but Blatter and his cronies are neglecting fans, even though he says he isn't. For example, I have heard that if England happen to play in the smallest stadium in WC2006 they might get 3500 tickets for the game. 3500 !! Why so little? Its a disgrace.
At San Siro (capacity 84,000) when Bayern played Valencia in the CL final each side got 16,000 or 17,000 tickets. Why so few? Thats less than half the stadium going to the real fans on the night. Obviously more got in, but they had to buy black market tickets.
I could rant on but won't. FIFA are as corrupt as the rest of them.
see link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4340386.stm
Ok ,I stand corrected on my 80's comment . I was probably too young to remember anyway
I still think that how much they earn isn't really anybodies business but their own . What I earn isn't any of your business, or your earnings any of mine .(the "royal" I & your )
Its all greed from the bottom to the top;
Sunderland want to sue Liverpool for postponing a Dec Prem match, due to World Club Championship that Fifa has ordered us to play in, as europe's representative!
G14 clubs want compo from Fifa as they use their players for World Cup etc
Players are on 100k a week at top. There's "maximising earning potential in a short career" as the PFA put it, then there's greed
then Fifa invite all these sponsors etc, that have helped the game become big
Erm, since one way or another we're paying them, I rather think it is. Either thru the insane gate/season ticket prices or thru the sky sports/premiership packages WE are paying their wages. So, we are fully entitled to comment on what they really should not be earning.
The only way footballers wages will be cut is if enough people do what they did in the 80's. Stop going to games, or as in the modern era stop subscribing to sky football. As that, despite the recent BS coming from the FA, is whats now happening here, hopefully, in this country at least, the greedy gits will get their wings trimmed.
The only problem is, that thanks to the ludicrous Bosman ruling, if we see a wages fall here all the best players will, like the rodents they are, tear up their contracts, or just leave at the end of them on a free, and desert the sinking ship for Italy, Spain, etc.
To change the subject slightly i see sepp blatter is letting his arse talk again saying rooney needs better discipline from Sven and Alex Ferguson. He really needs to stop talking it would be better for us all.
Why? Is he wrong to point out that since joining Man Utd his already not wonderful discipline has gone to pot?
Blatter wants, as does every English football fan bar none, Rooney playing every game for us in Germany 2006. What Blatter is saying is, there's a good chance either due to suspension, or thru a gazza style self inflicted injury, we might not - if he carries on the way he is.
I can't stand Blatter myself, as his interference in the game has been largely negative, but when he does make a good point, I can agree with him.
One way or another , your (8 - 10000 people a day) paying my wages . I still say its nowt to do with you .
Actually if you are a civil servant, thanks to John Major, it is.
Our money pays for their wages - directly. Therefore without us they wouldn't be paid. As they are forever claiming they are 'a business', then we, as contributers to that business have every right to comment on what they earn. What part of that can you not grasp?
Just put yer' cloth cap back on lad..............
Hmm, I wonder how much Sepp Blatter earns (inc the expenses, the free tickets, the 5 star hotels, the free travel etc etc etc) - and for doing what exactly
Of course FIFA won't say - but he's worth every penny no doubt (unlike all those nasty greedy money grabbing footballers without whom Blatter wouldn't have a job)
I wonder how much money was lost on the ISL debacle (FIFA won't say).
And I wonder how much FIFA will be charging for the TV rights to World Cup next year, and I wonder where exactly all that money will go. Of course, FIFA won't say!!!
Whether players get paid too much or not, I don't think Mr Blatter has any room to talk!
Thats all well and good , but I'm not a Civil Servant . . Those people pay for the services the company I work for provide .
I'm not saying you can't comment , but ultimatley its none of our business .
How can it NOT be when we are paying them to entertain US? Sorry, I just don't follow your logic. If they weren't being paid by us then I'd understand, but they are!
The more they earn, the higher the sky fees go up, and the higher go gate prices. In other words, the greedier they are, the more it costs us. We are then either forced to give up our football watching altogether, or keep forking out more and more dough which we increasingly can't afford to lose, to a load of greedy young men. So yes, we most certainly are entitled to gripe.
Are we learning yet.............?
My salary is none of your business , Your salary is none of mine , their salary is none of ours
The fact that the papers speculate over who gets what is one thing . I don't think any player has ever published his contract (altho I was wrong about the Italians ) ,which would suggest to me that they are private.
You can't blame them for getting the going rate , I would too , and so would everyone else . They are only being paid what someone else is willing to pay them . If anyone is to blame its Bosman
A lot of good points and now and i'll throw my bit in.
I personally don't blame the players for going after the best deal they can, but what they can get is way to high and is pornographic. I do find the wages they get harder to swallow when you see in a match that a highly paid player can't be bothered to chase a ball. Depressing is the move away from the loyal supporter and into the corporate sponsorship arena. The life blood of the game is at the hands of the money markets which will not nurse and nurture the game at the time when it is most needed. The current swing to the buy in mentality in stead of bringing young talent on is a sure indication of the less than committed support that the markets have IMO.
Decisions made about football be it rule of the game or TV coverage are starting to be set to the pressure of the corporate agenda (herd a whisper that half time may be increased to allow more adverts to be shown etc.). The golden image of a Dad and his lad going to see the match is dead and gone for most as the cost of the ticket, if you can get them is way to high.
I love football and I've supported Man U since I was about 6 but have not gone to see a live match since the agro of the seventies and have to get my fill from Sky and just have to put up with the endless adds (half time is for pundits not adds)...It just makes me sad.
I won't subscribe to Sky. Part of that reason is that it is helping to prop of these disgusting salaries.
Not sure of the numbers but don't most clubs earn as much from TV as from gate receipts? If they didn't get the cash from Sky, they couldn't pay the players the wages they do now.
Easy to do wages caps in the US (which they have) but a lot more difficult over here. Would need a Europe/Worldwide Cap and the chances of that ever happening are zilch.
More chance of everybody ditching their Sky Sports package in protest and the chances of that happenig are zilch too!
If there wo no such thing as Football Agents either, i'd be 100% guranteed that wages would be quite a bit lower too...
Finally someone sees the light..
TV money, and corporate sponshorship IS the lifeblood of football these days..
It's a business, run by businessmen, not football fans.
If every 'loyal fan' bought themselves a season ticket, nay... a 10 year season pass, with binding legal penalties should you pull out of the deal, then you might be taken more seriously..
As things stand in the modern game, the 'loyal fan' sometimes buy's a ticket, sometimes doesn't, moans about the price whichever, and pays their ever increasing sky subscription without so much as a question...
Who should the clubs, the FA, as businesses. be loyal to?
I thought most clubs make more from merchandising than season ticket sales these days? So that loyal fans can wear the team kit while watching Sky in the pub with the other lifelong fans..?
I'm not saying it's right by the way, just that it's the way things are.
The reality is, that these days, we'd rather pay to watch sky than pay to go watch a football match...?
I couldn't care less how much you earn, and you are free to know how much I do. Just get ready to laugh if you enquire! It's no biggy. We comment on politicans, civil servants, directors salaries, so why on Earth should sports stars be exempt? As before, go get your cloth cap m8.
We pay their wages, whether it be thru the gate, TV, or as dude points out thru the various 'spin-offs'. Corporate sponsorship in fact pays hardly anything in real terms towards football. There was a great article on it recently, questioning why clubs spend so much time toadying to them when in fact the sums, in terms of money actually received, aren't that huge.
As, if we do wise up and stop buying into football, their wages will go down, how can we not be interested in our investment?
Here's the latest from tabloid Blatter
"a West Brom official 'told' him that West Brom rest big stars v big clubs, as they know they'll lose, so why risk injury?"
Cue today's premiership result of West Brom 2- 1 Arsenal, even if Arsenal have loads of injuries
I wuz there
I think the point is that many of these footballers don't actually earn the money even though they are paid it.
If all football clubs were to pay real world wages to their players I wonder what they would do with all that extra income - cheaper tickets or free pies maybe
A decent youth policy perhaps?
Arsenal have got a decent youth policy - any decent young players in Europe and Arsenal try and buy them.
I was at the WBA - Arsenal game today and it was noticeable that not only were none of the Arsenal side English but neither were any of their five ?? substitutes.
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