Blacks not black enough?

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  1. stoomc

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    Hi all, this may seem a silly thing to say but just wondering if you all get the same thing... when you are on the XMB I know that the background black is not the blackest black (you can check this by changing the aspect to 4:3 on your set to bring up black borders on each side) It goes lighter and darker depending on the time of day...I know this...but, play a movie trailer that you have downloaded off the store and pause it on a black screen and change the aspect of your set to 4:3 again, and look!...the blacks are not black, they are very grey infact...I just want to put my mind at rest and see if this is happening on anyone elses set also. I put on casino royale BD to double check it wasnt affecting anything else and this seems to be ok, but I just dont understand why everything off the XMB is so light.
    Can someone confirm this? Silly thing to bring up, and I am not complaining, just want reassurance I am not missing something. To get the blacks black on the trailers and photos on the PS3 I would have to turn my brightness down to next to 10 which does not seem right considering for everything else it is set to about 45. So just to confirm I am not speaking about the wavy background, but everything else off the XMB...it's so odd!
    Thanks :)
     
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    I am very happy with black levels in my set-up,I do have all of the "features" in my TV turned off.
     
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    It's nothing really to do with the PS3 or the trailers. It's more to do with your TV. LCD's in general ( although they are getting better ) don't give as good blacks as Plasmas and CRT's. I suspect Samsung's in particular aren't as good as the Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba LCD's etc.
     
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    My 46inch samsung LCD has very good black. Especially after following what the guy said on that website!!!
     
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    The OP has no problem when playing back blu rays, only with downloads etc so talk of tv setup seems to be missing the point of his problem.
     
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    not true. the xmb not being black when it should is a known problem with the ps3, all to do with it not passing blacker than black colours. the end result is your tv appearing to have its brightness up too high.
     
  9. stoomc

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    Thanks so much for the reply guys..especially johnstone and james.miller. No I am very aware about LCDs not showing "blacks". I tried to word my thread as carefully as poss. Thanks for the info james.miller, I did not know that about the xmb.
    I know the whole thread sounded a little strange I was just curious to see what was going on, and if it was just me!
    It does seem very strange, doesn't it, I wonder if they will address this with an update...it's nothing you really notice till you bring up say a picture you have on your PS3 and then change the aspect ratio of your set to 4:3 where you can see the blackest black of your set and compare that to the border around the picture you are viewing...it's miles off in terms of brightness.
     
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    Firstly, I think LCDs suck at making any kind of decent black level - it has been my biggest grievance apart from dreaded backlight leakage... However, saying that, I do think there is a potential problem here with the PS3...

    Referring to your exact problem - I have a similar issue where when I am on the XMB menu, the entire screen is REALLY bright, including the blacks - it almost looks like my TV is being damaged. However, if I switch 'game mode' on in the TV settings, it gets rid of this problem and makes the blacks look dark again. I don't know if this is a HDMI issue or a PS3 issue... I also don't understand what people who don't have a 'Game mode' option on their TV do to get by... If I didn't have a game mode, I seriously wouldn't be able to use my PS3 on my TV...

    I am guessing it is a PS3 issue, as like you said, when watching dvds/BRs everything looks fine, and the blacks look dark - it's only when on the XMB menu that I get the problem. When watching dvd/BRs I actually have to switch Game mode off, as the screen is too dark...

    I have a 40" Samsung LE40R73BD LCD if that helps...
     
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    game mode just messes with the brightness and contrast at the end of the day. a panel set up for optimum conditions will always perform best and there shouldnt be a need for any game mode.

    the easiest way around this is to go into the bd/dvd settings and make sure the video output format (HDMI) is set to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr. that will also make dvd's and blueray brighter. then recalibrate your display and all will be the same, with a bit of luck lol.
     
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    Game Mode makes a HUGE difference on my TV when using the PS3... and it saves you the hassle of readjusting all of the brightness/contrast settings etc. I have also read on Samsungs website somewhere that it changes the response time of the panel too... not just contrast / brightness.

    No-ones panel is setup better than mine, believe me, I have been fine tuning the settings constantly ever since I bought my TV back in early February and have also fine tuned the engineer service menu settings too.

    The problem with the brightness is limited only to the PS3 XMB menu for me - not when watching freeview, videos, dvds etc.
     
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    does your display not keep individual settings for each input then? i know mine does:) adjusting it once isnt exactly a problem.
    do you trust that? surely if they could improve the response time of the panel with a simple setting it would surely make sense to have it on all the time, or is it detrimental to the performance of the panel in other areas?
    good for you. doesnt really help here though:)
     
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    This is correct, if you calibrate with DVE you'll see that the PS3 cannot pass blacker than black. The answer is to drop the brightness down a couple of notches.
     
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    You sound like you either don't own a Samsung LCD or you don't understand the problem I was talking about...

    The Samsungs will remember the Preset last used for different input sources, HOWEVER, the problem is that when you are using your PS3, whilst it is on the SAME source input (e.g. HDMI) DVDs/BRs will play fine (with decent black levels), but the XMB menu/games with the SAME picture settings can be too light. Do you understand??

    You can spend all day getting the picture settings right for your DVDs/BRs on your PS3 and save your preset as you mention, but those picture settings will NOT be good when using the XMB menu or even when playing games on the Samsung.

    So you either have to change all the contrast/ brightness settings again, or use another picture preset OR use Game Mode. Switching Game Mode on works out as the best option and does a brilliant job at improving the situation when using the XMB and playing games. The OP talked about the downloaded videos not displaying blacks correctly. I would agree with that and find that you have to decrease the brightness setting down to at least 15 on my TV to get a decent black level when watching those videos...
     
  16. stoomc

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    Hi, all is fixed now, I changed my setting to RGB, not y pb/cb Pr/Cr as the RGB setting made everthing (inc. DVD/BD) brighter blacks, so EVERYTHING was all washed out that way then I just reduced the brightness setting right down and all was well.
    I am not missing out on anything having it set strictly to RGB am I?
     
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    hmmm not really. i already posted the fix you know

    one way or the other lol;)


    no your not missing anything out. it's just a strange issue that the ps3 has outputting over hdmi at 1080p. it should get fixed soon but using this solution means no messing aroudn and everything looks brill.


    :thumbsup:
     
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    Thanks so much for your help, to clarify for anyone else that reads this, when I had my PS3 set to the component signal, the DVD/BD were fine, the games and XMB stayed the same washed out brightness, If I have my PS3 set to RGB, the DVD/BD were washed out brightness, and again the XMB and games stayed exactly the same washed out brightness, neither setting adjusted the brightness of the XMB or games. So obviously all I did wash set the PS3 to RGB so everything was washed out together, then brought the brightness setting down altogether...aaaah finally!
    Another member on AVforums is still having a prob as when he is setting one or the other, the DVD/BD and Games are doing the exact opposite which is not the same as me, fortunately for me changing the setting to one or the other made no diff to bringing down the brightness on the XMB and games.
    Thanks again :)
     
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    sorry to bring this up again..

    i calibrated my ps3/lcd using thx optimser on the incredibles dvd... pictures look much better now when watching dvd (had to turn down brightness from 50 to 46) but i am wondering if they look a bit dark now for blue ray? anyone know if the brightness output for blue ray and dvd is the same on the ps3? is there a thx optimiser on any blue ray discs yet?
     

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