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    1. Casimir Harlow

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      Collateral is probably among my favourite action thrillers. I was very disappointed with Miami Vice as the trailer painted a different picture to what the actual film was, and couldn't get on with Public Enemies. Blackhat has had a mixed response but thanks for a positive review, look forward to seeing it some time.
       
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      6/10 for Audio? Based on what you've said I would say 3/10!
       
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      overall rating 7/10. I would say 2/10
       
    5. Casimir Harlow

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      I highlighted the dialogue was a problem, but that's the only problem. It's otherwise a 9-10/10 track, as with many Mann efforts, just brought down by about half a dozen noticeable instances of bad dialogue levelling; enough to take you out of the movie. I don't know how that would add up to 3.
       
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      Based on what?

      You do realise that the overall rating includes the score for the video, audio and extras as well?

      I can't remember the last time a title has received an overall rating of 2; it's almost impossible. You'd need SD video, audio where they forgot to include any dialogue, zero extras, and a film starring Seagal to even get close.

      Are you talking about just the film? (In which case I'd use the Seagal argument as well - 2 seems a little harsh excessively harsh)
       
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      Watched this tonight and for MM film it is very poor indeed, its a film with an identity crisis trying to go the serious route but not having the means,script or actors to pull it off and then relys on the action segments to prop it up. It ends up being a befuddled mess and completely souless and dare I say it almost unwatchable. It has some style over the substance and the set prices I will admit do stand out, the sound is awsome especially during the tunnel/harbour shootout. In the end though it's so uterly medeoce at best and terrible at worst.

      I'd give it a 4/10 and that's generous TBH.
       
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      Yes sorry I was just on about the film.
       
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      I enjoyed the film and I can't say I had any trouble with the dialogue, I thought the soundtrack was really good. However I hate Mann's use of digital photography, he makes it look like cheap video.
       
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      I received my pre-ordered Blackhat blu-ray yesterday and sat down to watch it with my wife last night, knowing nothing whatever about it other than it is the new MM movie.

      After about 40 minutes of dialogue which was by turns too quiet to hear or too loud to be comfortable, flat and uninteresting 'action', the painfully bad and painfully long CG representation of data flowing through circuits (though clearly MM liked it as the same footage had been shown a couple of times by this point and I fear may have been shown again had I continued to watch), pretty lame seen-it-before type plot, and the extremely difficult to swallow casting of Chris Hemsworth as an IT genius (even gifting him with distinctly average intellectual ability might have been a stretch), it had to be switched off - something I rarely do part way through a movie - but there's only so many groaning face plants, disgusted shakes of the head and incredulous rolling of eyes I have in me, and I was well past my limit for one evening.

      I'm a huge fan of previous Mann productions and had admittedly high expectations, but due to the technical presentation, plot and casting, I found it difficult to watch, difficult to hear, and impossible to enjoy.

      I don't see how a blu-ray that is *so* materially and technically flawed can be rated with 7 out of 10, which, considered alone, would appear to be a rather favourable score. My personal review would have been a 2 out of 10, for the reasons stated above. A very disappointing purchase.
       
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      Distinctly generous...
       
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      Wish I had your kit then - not sure it would have made the movie any better, but hearing all the dialogue might have made it more watchable.
       
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      I agree with your point, but if you heard it, you'd realise 3 out of 10 is far too generous.
       
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      Dialogue *is* missing - it fades out completely in a couple of places, and is generally difficult to hear throughout (the part I could stand watching anyway). Music also varies erratically in volume. What score would you call average? If we assume that every point has the same value, then a value of 5 would have to be the score for a movie in which you can at least hear all the dialogue and sound effects, and is correctly synced: i.e. medium, and extra points gained for quality in any area. Since this film doesn't reach such the exalted height of 'medium', a 2 seems more than reasonable.

      Hemsworth's portrayal of an IT genius makes Seagal look slick, and the set CG pieces shown repeatedly are pants.

      Using HD is not enough to score points - it's a blu-ray and thus expected, so the SD argument is just silly. Poor lighting, poor cinematography (shockingly so for an MM film), and visibly poor grain (almost like a potato print in places) and even video artifacts are uutterly nacceptable in a modern movie - this fell way below par.

      I can't say that I looked at the extras - honestly, who would want to after wasting enough of their life watching the film itself? If it had the best extras ever, it shouldn't make any difference to the overall score when the film itself is utterly unwatchable.
       
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      Wow, that bad?

      I love Michael Mann movies - LOTM, Heat, Collateral...I enjoyed Miami Vice the first time round, but I can't help but wonder if he's had his day. His soundtracks are a complete contradiction; awesome in parts, but dialogue intelligibility is a cardinal sin IMHO.
       
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      Give Miami Vice another chance. I underestimated it for years. Its not Collateral or Heat but it is a good film.
       
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      Why oh why do they still use that same old hackneyed done to death computer"sound" in every film from war games to now.
      It completely undermines films and makes them a joke especially when it's a computer based movie.

      I also don't buy Thor as a hacker. But that's just me!
       
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      That bad. Really.
       
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      Worst it's not worth being played in your amazing setup Smurf
       
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      Massive Mann fan here, though ive never buzzed for this one, going in with lower expectations but still have to pick it up later, need to judge for myself, £12.99 is fair.
      Loads of 8/10 reviews on release going off Metacritic.
       
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      As much as I hate the way Mann uses digital photography, the disc itself can't be blamed for replicating his artistic intention. The same goes for the soundtrack, if certain dialogue is unintelligible then Mann must have decided not to ADR the lines afterwards - again not the fault of the disc. Although I do like how he uses dynamic range, the gunshots in the Hong Kong shootout were suitably loud.
       
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      I thought this was decent enough - the action is classic Mann. Even if you didn't care for the stuff in-between, you can't argue that the action set-pieces are anything less than primo Mann calibre.

      Also, if you don't like Miami Vice, you're wrong in the head.
       
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      Watched last night, Thought it was classic Mann, not as good as Heat, Thief or Collateral but prob on a par with Miami vice, with a similar feel.

      It grabbed from start and was interesting, Some of the camera angles and shots are truly superb, night time photography is right up with Collateral, Soundtrack is not as bad for dialogue as ive read, maybe a couple of mumbles but its defo a stylistic choice with some chatter being outside but recorded live without ADR but overall the music and mood is classic Mann, gunshots sound as though they are pulled from Heat, overall though very enjoyable intellectual Drama/Thriller imo.
       
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      Sold - that's all I needed to hear. Apart from whether or not it's better than the boring Public Enemies.
       
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      I've always been a Mann fan and love Miami Vice. This however is just a dreadful dreadful movie.
       
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      Also, just to add, The Review here on AV forums seems to suggest that we only get 2 making of featurette's (back cover says 2 also)
      But we do recieve the same Encode as Universal's U.S disc.
      3 Making of's and usual front end warnings over piracy in Dollar's.
      So not bad for £13-15
       
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      I didn't have any issues with dialog....I had however switched of mentally after twenty minutes so couldn't give a toss if they were giving out a recipe for sponge pudding. I thought it was a worse film than MV and that was so bad it was funny, shame this was not even up to being laughable bad.
       
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      I voted with my finger on this one, watched it for just under hour and wondered why I was so bored and disengaged from the film. I then turned it off.
       
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      i watched it and enjoyed it,good story,well acted,excellent action scenes with a very good workout for all speakers, not as good as heat no,but a very good evenings entertainment, a good 8/10 for the film and the audio and pic quality similar,i had no problem with the sound,
       
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      That'll do for me....love Mann movies, including Miami Vice and Public Enemies. My expectations have been set low though !

      Similar with interstellar for me, many said that was crap, boring and the dialogue inaudible.....I liked it !!
       

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