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Black Hawk Down

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  1. Brogan

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    Watched this again yesterday and I'd forgotten just how good a film it is.

    Not in terms of plot, acting or characters but just to demonstrate the futility of conflict and how it takes one small mistake to completely screw things up, no matter how much planning and firepower has gone into it.

    Sky only gave it 2 stars but that's not surprising as they never seem to get the star ratings right :rolleyes:

    I'm thinking of buying the DVD so which is the best version to get, assuming there is more than 1 version?
     
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    I didn't enjoy this much when I first watched it, but hired out again the other day. Not sure why, i think it was because the Mrs was away and wanted something loud to make them most of it fancied giving this film another go.

    Have to agree with you, totally changed my mind about it the second time. Good movie!

    And your right, definately demonstrates the futility of conflict, the Yanks didnt stand much of a chance and it must show you what life in Iraq is like for them at the moment!
     
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    Surely you mean that the other way round? What is the clip at the end, something like 6 marines dead and 3000 somalians killed!?!?!

    Good film though, great for loud bangs, I love the helicopter effects and the end sequence with all the tracer fire is awesome!
     
  4. Brogan

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    According to the end credits it was 1,000 Somalis and 19 Americans.
     
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    Which is still indicative of what the 1st and 3rd world consider acceptable casualties.
     
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    Perhaps if your name is Bush or Blair but not in my book.
    At least Clinton had the courage to withdraw just 2 weeks after this, thereby avoiding any future conflict between Americans and Somalis.
    Somehow I can't see Bush doing the same, although I admit the situation in Iraq is a little different.
     
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    I think I'm right in saying that this is still the best version to go for (and is the version I have)

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101146

    The picture (apart from a bit of grain for a minute at the start) and dts soundtrack are reference quality IMO... outstanding package :smashin:

    Regards,
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    The "courage" to leave ensuring that it stayed a failed state is a curious definition in this book but there you go.

    The film is alright but goes no way into showing the basic inability of the Rangers to fight the way their grandfathers did (ie leaving the technology at the door and relying on training, teamwork and insight- not to mention telling your allies what you planned on doing so they might have been able to help) and not fight in a way that nullified every advantage they had.

    The fact that every actor looks exactly the same as one another in it does nothing to help characterisation either.
     
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    I suppose they could have stayed on and turned it into a model of democracy like they have with Afghanistan and Iraq....

    Anyway, that's OT as this thread is about the movie.

    I agree with your points but that only reinforces the futility of war as far as I'm concerned.
    It's a thought-provoking movie without trying to be anything other than it is.
     
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    Fairly accurate for military life :)

    I knew I had my numbers wrong, but those statistics are simply amazing (not in a good sense!). The amount of firepower these guys have is unbelievable, if you watch the film of that apache chewing up people in Iraq, it just shows that these guys (somalis/iraqis) have no chance.
     
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    if you think the films good then check out the book .
    not an easy read but well worth it
     
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    Brogan, the R3 Korean Superbit is awesome...
     
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    ...courage to leave the whole country to the gangs and warlords..!? sorry but that is just wrong. At least Bush is trying (and will succeed) to offer the people the chance to take up democracy, Bush could have walked out of Afghanistan and Iraq immediately after the the successful invasions, but is still working through the political aftermath, presumably Clinton would have walked at the first casualty of both conflicts... and remember, 9/11 was planned on 'his watch'.

    BHD is a very good film, if you listen to the commentary tracks you realise that is is very accurate, similar to We Were Soldiers, which some people also have criticised without realising the accuracy of the movie.
     
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    But the book was written by the same guy who helped on screenplay for the film, the same chap that did early journo articles on it. and he wasnt' there. so not sure how accurate it is, in other peoples minds.

    the criticisms levelled at the film was that he dramatised it too much, and glamourised it a bit, and in reality 100 fully trained and armed soldiers shouldn't have amde such a pig's ear of it.
     
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    Don't you mean Bush is trying to force Western democracy on two countries that didn't ask for it and in which it won't work?
    I don't recall Afghanistan and Iraq asking the USA to invade them, forcing them to live in a Western style society...
     
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    :offtopic: are we talking about the film or having a political debate?
     
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    Both it would seem...

    I did state earlier in the thread that discussion in this vein was OT but it was ignored.
     
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    I have the Japanese Region 2, With DTS. Nice box and good quality.
    But I suppose the superbit edition must be abit better.

    As for the film, well its one I like to keep next to saving private ryan. Belongs in everybodys collection! It teaches us how horrible war can be, how the somalis wouldnt let these foreigners come in and invade their country,
    and how powerful the US military can be.

    Today somalia is still governed by a warlord. The son of the guy they are trying to get in the movie. (Dont remember his name!)

    And not in a much better state than it was back then.

    Really though we should just let these people sort out there own problems. If necesary send the UN. But never a country like the US on its own.
     
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    This is 1 of my favourite films,but Ive only got the 2 disc r2 edition.Is it worth me selling my copy cheaply to a mate and getting the superbit DTS version?Is it that much better? :confused:
     
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    Hi Brogan

    Just posted after yours but not referring to it in particular, but all political post, as this is not really the place to discuss politics. I would have moved it to General Chat if you wanted to continue in that vain. ;)
     
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    In a word... yes!!

    I've compared both versions and will say that I noticed a difference in both picture and sound on my setup (projector and denon 1803 amp driving b&w 601 speakers). The picture is very vivid in certain places and the sound just blows me away, IMO this is a case where dts outperforms dd. The R2 2-disc couldn't match it, the picture looked slightly duller to my eyes and the soundtrack was a bit lifeless compared to the R3 4-disc dts one... All this is my opinion of course folks :D don't wan't to start off yet another dd vrs. dts debate :nono: :rolleyes:

    Regards,
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    lol,ok,so general consenus seems to be that its worth getting the superbit edition....next question:
    Is there a difference between the r2 superbit and the r3 superbit?(partly because I cant seem to find the r3 superbit anywhere)
    Cheers

    edit:after checking the various reviews,theres a load of extras with the R3 edition where as the R2 is just the 1 disc usual superbit malarkey but is there a difference in the picture and sound?
     
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    Good question.
    I'm not interested in extras and never bother looking at the 2nd disc if there is one.

    That being the case, can I just get the R2 superbit DTS version?
     
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    There is a warning about graphic violence being deleted by the Korean censors so are there any cuts on this version?
    Also, is it safe buying from an East Asian site?
    I've had my CC scammed 3 times in the last year or so and wouldn't want to have to cancel it again...
     
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    Not according to DVDCompare
     
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    Same here.
    That looks like the best option for me too.
     

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