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black hawk down vs behind enemy lines

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by grahamricho, Sep 19, 2002.

  1. grahamricho

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    which did you prefer ? i prefered behind enemy lines more tense and not just a two hour gunbattle. also better use of sound the plane crash , the bit where he,s sat on the old water slope thing and the sniper takes a shot at him, also the mines in the factory scene .
     
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    Difference:

    BHD - based on real life

    BEL - load of b*ll*cks based on hollywoods imagination on how a war is run.

    I'll take BHD any day of the week. Read the book!


    Chris 'kiwiranger' Parke
     
  3. buns

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    I enjoyed BEL, but BHD was a more believeable story. Somehow i had trouble believing owen wilson as his given role.......

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    I'm with GRAHAMRICHO. BEL might be Hollywood fantasy war, but BHD is US political fantasy war.
     
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    I was disappointed by the self-imposed cuts made to BEL which watered down the violence.
    I think BHD was tense and preferred it by a mile. I disagree that it was fantasy. I think Scott tried to make something faithful to what really happened.
     
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    IMO they're both good but in different ways.

    BEL is pure popcorn - Owen Wilson sliding on the ice with his hand canon blazing facing an onslaught of machine gun wielding bad guys and APC heavy artillery......all good stuff!!

    BHD is a more serious attempt at War portrayal and for the most part works well.
     
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    I thought BEL was dreadfull pure trash, didnt think Owen wilson was suited to this sort of role, although i do quite like him in some things. Much Much preffered black hawk
     
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    And the Award for Best Use of Paint Shop Pro goes to.....

    .....Behind Enemy Lines!! :rolleyes: :D

    There are worse instances I'm sure but this one particularly stood out on first play.
     

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    I hated BEL. I was pure American egotistical crap. "Ooh woo, we're American, we have to save one nobhead by killing as many of those evil foreigners as possible". No different to real life I suppose.
     
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    Owen wilson is no more suited for a role like this hes ****
     
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    clearly not a fan! This was not his best i agree, but i enjoy his perfomance at times.

    The silly thing is that BEL is a 'lets go save one guy' films, killing hundreds along the way, but BHD is a 'lets save a number of guys' film, but kill thousands to do it. I know BHD is somewhat factual. What im trying to say is that if one is believeable, so must the other be! But BHD was much better!

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    I agree with enajh2..
    Some of the CGI on this film was like a drain.

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    why bother comparing them. they're completely different.
    BEL is just entertainment.

    BHD absorbed from the get go and although its not a particularly good 'movie', I'm glad Ridley sacraficed the traditional set ups for the sake of being as real as possible. It was an extremely impressive film in terms of the dedication to the subject and the special effects are the best ever used in a film. you dont notice them at all. I mean it - best effects work in a film, ever.

    I've got alot of admiration for that film even if I didnt think, cinematically, it was that great.

    To anyone who disses Owne Wilson: I will find you and fight you!
     
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    OOOhhhhh! A fight! :D He isnt my favorite actor i must be honest, i cant think of anytime ive seen him that i dont feel he will spontaneously break down and p*** himself laughing! He is a sortof funny guy though!

    :D

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    Hey Eli_Cash

    I dis Owne Wilson. I dis upon him from a great height. Come and get me. I'm in Auckland.

    BEL was just silly.
     
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    Why couldnt we include We Were Soldiers which beats both hands down. It was a bit like putting BEL and BHD together with a better story. Mel gets dropped Behind Enemy Lines in a Huey and faces massive opposition as in BHD.
     
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    That wasnt good. You're dead.
     
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    You're not a black cab driver by any chance are you? They seem to have have the most sucess with attempts on my life.

    I take it all back. I may need to return one day, and I'd hate to be lynched by a mob of Owne fans at Heathrow.
     
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    but the common theme is they all are intended as war propeganda for americans. How many blockbusters do you watch hat portray america as the bad guys?! Not many! Yet this is not necessarily the truth of the matter!

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    BHD made a heck of a better show of the realities of war and the suffering involved than BEL did. I haven't seen we were soldiers yet (wife's limit is one war film every six months).

    Propaganda isn't limited to the US you know. Look at Bravo 2 zero which was a consignment of geriatric shoe makers if there every was one.
     
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    didnt you folks learn anything from BHD? all that matters is the man next to you. even in world wars, for each individual the fighting is localised to the 10msq around him. who gives a crap about the politics. "america" this "america" that. totally de-personalises everything.
     
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    Was We Were Soldiers really that good? Everytime I see Gibson now it just looks as though the film's an advertisment for him. Ever since Braveheart it's just like "Mel is the best actor in the world, let's make a film about him, put him in some point in history and revolve all the happenings around him".

    Instead of America is the best we have Mel Gibson is the best.
     
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    ...thats the publics fault, not his or the films.

    I dont want to defend him so I'll just say this : Mel Gibson is starting work on a film about the last days of Jesus Christ told and spoken in the dead languages of the bible.

    ...no accents and NO SUBTITLES either. just filmic storytelling.
     
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    How me meant to know whats going on then? Do we have to read the Bible first?
     
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    Will the film be as good as the book though.:D
     
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    I watched BHD on Friday and thought it was an excellent film. I've not seen BEL so I can't comment on that.
     
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    Heard they changed the ending for the American audiences.

    Mel lives and everyone loves him... of course.
     
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    What about a spin off, 'the walls of Jericho', that would be a nice sub work out! ;)

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    At least theyll have a new film to put on for the Easter bank Holiday.
     
  30. richard plumb

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    I haven't seen Behind Enemy Lines, but it looks like BAT21, but Gene Hackman plays a different role this time. Fair summary, or is there more that would warrant another look?
     

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