Black Hawk Down - Not DTS? :(

Latman

Active Member
I was looking forward to this film which I thought it was gone be in DTS. Just read the review in a mag and shame its not coming out in DTS, I can swear I have seen it on a web site where they did say it was DTS. Which site was that thou, can't remember.
Any difference between R1 & R2?
 
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malcy

Guest
The US SE will also be missing DTS. The disk producer posted this on the hometheaterforum.
This is because of length of film and all the commentary tracks.
For some reason did not want to split film over 2 disks as this would then have made the SE 4 disks rather than 3.
UK SE misses the 3rd disk of History Channel documentaries, so wait for US (due Q1 2003) or coming out in France soon.
 
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Hugh G Bonar

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So what if it hasnt got DTS? Overrated anyway, Dolby Digital is superior. Anyone who buys a disc just cos its got DTS wants their head read, same as those who whinge about foreign writing on the package, so what? Sit there looking at the packaging whilst watching a film do you?:rolleyes:
 

museumsteve

Distinguished Member
lol..:D dont think so mate. I've had BHD since it came out and really enjoyed it as a Saturday night blockbuster on more than one occasion. If I had the chance to get a DTS version with better sound then I would. If the sound wasn't as good as DD then I'd get rid of it, simple.
To simply say DTS is over-rated is rather pointless, it's the same as saying Reg 1 is pointless when you can have Reg 2 or something similar..:)
 

Sinzer

Distinguished Member
I would have said the same a little while ago, but since getting my decent AV system I find it very difficult to purchase films unless they are anamorphic and have at least 5.1.

The only usual reason why I would by a film with just 2.0 or 4:3 is if it was really really old.

It is a shame BHD was not in DTS, but it still sounds pretty good!
 

Guest
Didn't the Dolby Digital soundtrack win an Academy Award?

Adzman
 
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GermanMan

Guest
I would have said the same a little while ago, but since getting my decent AV system I find it very difficult to purchase films unless they are anamorphic and have at least 5.1.

Hm, I was under the impression that most Dolby Digital (aka ac-3) dvd's were 5.1 and that in all likelyhood, most DTS disks were also 5.1 - so where is the difference?

Unless you want 6.1 (how many movies have this), or 7.1 (any movies).

I feel DTS is something that can be there if there is room or on a separate second disk, but not needed - like its not needed that you have a fancy hologram box that water repellant and crush proof. With 5.1 DD sound, and a good display you get a superb viewing experience.

To simply say DTS is over-rated is rather pointless, it's the same as saying Reg 1 is pointless when you can have Reg 2 or something similar..

I think you can indeed say that DTS is pointless - the gain is marginal to the viewer and requires significant space on the disk plus dts decoding. How that compares to 'region 1' is pointless - I guess I don't see your point.
 
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Kenneth.Hoiland

Guest
The Norwegian version of BHD from distributor SF Norge has DTS sound. Methinks my R1 copy is up for an upgrade ;)
Review (in Norwegian) here.

Roughly translated the sound description says

"In contrast to region 1 we also get a DTS soundtrack here. I listened to the DTS track, and have to say this is one of the best soundtracks I have ever heard. The mix is brilliant, and very natural sounding. Speech is crisp and clear while the movie pounds you with directional effects that leaves you breathless. The Bass is incredibly deep with great depth and fantastic precision. You feel it as much as you hear it. The music is also very well presented alongside bullets flying, explosions, flames and helicopters, all this and you still hear, impressively clear, every empty shell hit the ground, and earth getting trown in the air.. This is a discrete DTS mix that shows off DTS to its fullest. Pure reference. There is also a DD 5.1 track included on the disc and that has been given raving cpraise on the region 1 edition. "

Has anyone got the UK R2 yet? Has this also got the DTS track?

Kenneth
 
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mikey

Guest
And there's me thinking that Black Hawk down was something you stuffed into Black Hawk duvets!
 

museumsteve

Distinguished Member
GermanMan, it's all about opinions, but to simply state DTS is over-rated and to say it is marginal to a viewer is not the most sensible thing I;ve read here.
If you dont have a likening for DTS then fine but many people do enjoy it and it can (if done properly) offer a nice diference over DD 5.1.
There are technical differences between DTS and DD but that doesn't seem to be the issue here, it seems to be some people's opiniosn getting the better of them.I have over 600 DVDs now and have DD discs that surpass DTS but in many cases the discs with DTS have better sound IMO..
 
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GermanMan

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MuseumSteve,

Point taken. I was not trying to imply that DTS is worthless in comparison to DD, but rather that just because the soundtrack is available in DTS, it does not mean you are getting anything better. You certainly might, and you might get better sound from the DD soundtrack. It all depends greatly on the outfit that puts the whole package together and mixes and encodes the stuff for the disk - they can break a good original and they may improve on an original that may have not been set up right.

I personally have no problem with any additional soundtracks on a disk so long as at least ONE of them is good and at least 5.1 if the original audio is available in at least that many channels.

What I do have a problem with, and its getting away from the topic a bit, is putting multiple soundtracks on a disk such that if forces the film to be divided over 2 sides or 2 disks. I know that the DVD standard requires, or so I've read, ( DD and PCM ) or (DTS and at least one of the DD/PCM set) or something to that effect - but is that required 'per physical disk' or per 'disk set' (ie can one have 2 disks both with the full film on them and one disk has DD and the other disk has the DTS - each physical disk only having a single soundtrack format on it?)

People certainly have thier feelings on what they like, and in many cases a person cannot articulate or demonstrate WHY they prefer something other than that they do prefer it. That is fine - just don't shoehorn DTS into the disk at the cost of the video continuity.
 
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Dom H

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Quick question, how are people comparing DD tracks to the DTS equivalent? Flicking the audio button and your willhave a 3 or so second delay (brains audio memory being what it is) plus it wont be the same sound sequence, plus it might not have even originated from the same master.

I find comparison impossible therefore I have no opinion on the matter, although if its there I would probably choose dts.
 

museumsteve

Distinguished Member
GermanMan, points taken..:) thanks for the post.
I would love to hear BHD in DTS..where can I get a Norweigan disc then..;) if anyone has one I'd pay handsomely :)
 
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Gambit

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Originally posted by Dom H
Quick question, how are people comparing DD tracks to the DTS equivalent? Flicking the audio button and your willhave a 3 or so second delay (brains audio memory being what it is) plus it wont be the same sound sequence, plus it might not have even originated from the same master.

I find comparison impossible therefore I have no opinion on the matter, although if its there I would probably choose dts.

Flicking the audio button won't do it, you have to change the discs audio settings (or the players) to DTS out. Comaprisions are usually made with just one scene- watch the scene in DD, then change it to DTS and listen again, the key part being listening. I tend to take a lot more notice of the sound when I'm seeing which I prefer. Then I'll just leave that one on and watch the film (lot of hassle and I don't do it that often, TBH).
 
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GermanMan

Guest
Of course if you are in the US and get the Norwegian disc - is it PAL and if so will you not need a format converter to get it to NTSC (if you don't have a PAL capable monitor or one that is Component driven (right))?
 
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GermanMan

Guest
Woops, my bad.

There I go reading to fast.

I read N. Hampshire and my US centric brain assumed it was the US state of New Hampshire. I"m not involved in too many truly international forums so it will take a while for my brain to spin up to full international operating speeds again.:D
 

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