Discussion in '4K Ultra HD Blu-rays' started by Phil Hinton, May 28, 2019.
I dont buy many discs , but this one i did, and is superb
The 4K disc is rubbish from the bits I have seen!
What Bits have you seen then??
When it gets really dark and they have that soldier hostage. It’s has a lot of weird screen effects even weirder than the Blu-Ray which is saying something!
Without sounding condescending i would check your settings as i'm not seeing that on mine..
It could be an LG Oled thing then I guess. I was never happy with the Blu-Ray on my LG Oled brings lots of grain and picture noise in.
What one do you have? I watched it yesterday on a C8 and had no problems
I watched it on my dad’s LG 55b6.
I reckon I will have to watch it on my OPPO 203 and use metadata Strip HDR setting I could imagine me liking it then.
So is your problem with it that the picture is grainy?
watched this tonight on my JVC N5 and it looked amazing
sounded pretty darned good too
no playback issues at all on my oppo 203 either
worth the review score Cas
One of my favourite movies and the 4K disc is excellent!
Watched last night. For me personally, this disc would earn a lot of eights.
Picture: It's a great rendering of the film. Problem is, the film is extremely grainy and overexposed in places, as well as being overly contrasty and grainy throughout. So whether or not this is a 10/10 is going to come down to personal taste. Do you like grain? Don't mind it? How much do you mind it? How much do you mind it when it is so heavy the images look like terrestrial channels from back in the day when someone hadn't tuned the TV properly? For me, I can't give this disc a 10 for picture, because objectively the picture is poor in places even if this is the original creator's intent. It's not to everyone's taste. I don't mind grain and in-yer-face post-processing, but this is just too much in places. I'd say the same about Saving Private Ryan 4K – very similar images/style/texture
Sound: Good, but again, it's nowhere near a 10 for me for this Atmos track. There's a lot of boom and bang and decent enough LFE and the battles sound very three-dimensional. But the music and dialogue just sound pretty average to my ear. It's certainly not a disc I would consider putting on if I were thinking about demoing my system. It's good, but I can't hear the 10 out of 10 greatness that was so easy to hear on something like Spiderverse
Movie: Enjoyed it more than I remembered enjoying it. Pretty incredible cast and I do like the way it's been shot and edited, even if I'm not a fan of the post-processing contrastiness or the excessive grain
Just kidding – 8
maybe it depends on what was intended by the film maker and for me it was a fair mark
maybe it depends on what you can do with movies shot on film?
I would have to say 2001 has a better picture for sharpness than BHD but it is a bit unfair as a war film shot in grimy and dark places will never look as sharp
this is for me another case of a classic movie shot on film that has been given an excellent 4K HDR Atmos release (blade runner, 2001, alien, matrix, 5th element to name a few) and I hope to see loads more of this quality
I don't think you can compare spiderverse and a BHD and expect the same by the way
As I said it comes down to whether you are rating the disc on how good a rendering it is of what's available, or scoring it against other discs in terms of pure fidelity. For pure fidelity it looks and sounds nowhere near as good as many other discs I own, and for that reason, I think awarding it 10/10 is a bit confusing. People will expect to be blown away, and while it was good – and as I said, a near-perfect rendering of what is actually there – it's not a great reference/demo disc. And I think all 10/10s should be that.
It's just my own opinion. Others may think 'the best possible version of the source' is worth 10/10 and that opinion is also perfectly valid. For me, though, there are much, much more impressive discs. So what do you give those? 11/10? 12/10? 19/10?
you cant compare shot on film 20 years ago and shot digitally at 4K and above or even animation in my opinion - they will all look different but not necessarily better
you are not going to get BHD looking like Billy Lynn for example
if it is the best a film of that type can look then that is a 10 for me but again only my view
This is exactly what I thought and was hoping would be better on the 4K disc but it’s much worse!
Over processing too. The other guy described it much better than me who gave it 8 out of 10.
Right. You know this isn't Avatar right?
I like Avatar.
Fantastic looking film. Just watched it. Had some weird audio issues with it though. At one point the voices disappeared. I thought the center speaker dropped out but I could still hear background noises from it. I had to go back to the menu then back to the film and they came back. Also at one point the center speaker sounds such as the voices again went to the rear right surround speaker and I had to go back into the menu and back out again to correct it. Not had a sound issue with any 4K blu ray so far apart from this one.
I have the Blu-ray which was one of the first disks I bought. I remember it being grainy, which unfortunately is down to the 35mm film. Larger formats, like 70mm or Imax would translate better. But what can we do?
Was the 4k transfer taken from the negative? Should be much better if it was.
Yes, you have pretty much summed up how things are, and it needed saying. The political correct, BBC view of the world is a fiction. It would be pretty much the same today as it was then.
What player are you using?
The 'problem' with this disc is it has highish nit levels and coupled with your LG B6 Oled this emphasises the grain as the x6 models don't have that good tone mapping. If played on a Panasonic player with HDR Optimiser on, the nits are lowered to a level the TV tone mapping can do a better job with.
I don't like grain much but to me the release is remarkably low grain compared to the blu-ray. Apart from the beginning scenes, which looked very grainy on the blu-ray as well, it didn't seem that grainy to me. And I'm someone who doesn't like grain and will turn on all the noise filters available on both player and TV if necessary to my eyes. There are a few other shortish scenes with heavy grain but probably 90%-95%ish is clean looking. I'd rate this much cleaner (less grain) than many other Sony 4K 35mm film scans like Ghostbusters, Starship Troopers, Independence Day, Crouching Tiger etc.
Unlike some others, I had zero sound or lip synch issues and had problem free playback (extended edition on Panasonic UB820).
In fact I will hook up my Oppo 203 to my Dad’s LG 55b6 today and let you know how I get on with the Metadata Strip setting.
We watched this last night, and although we really enjoyed the film, there was a definite problem with the sound on the extended cut. It dropped out several times and afterwards the lip-sync was way out, but gradually crept back to normal before the next dropout. It's the first 4K disk I've bought with sound issues so I suppose I shouldn't complain. It's going back though.
Edit - Sorry, forgot to mention player's an Oppo 203.
No issues playing it here and thought it looked fantastic, certainly the best the film has ever looked and yet another top release by Sony.
Extended version on my ub900 lost sound around an hour for a split second. About 20 mins later it froze all together. The screen went black and after much concern I eventually managed to power down the unit. Gave it another go and not longer after the disc tray just opened mid scene. I sent it back next day. Picture quality was okay. It was grainy but not distracting. I couldn't get in to the film because of the issues but didn't find it as watchable as 13 hours.
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