awesome. Are you using any DSP to integrate it like @MI55ION ?The d108 arrived today and is already set up. Sounds great. I’m running it alongside some Totem Mini monitors and it now sounds like I have full range floor standers! Just really nice tight bass.
awesome. Are you using any DSP to integrate it like @MI55ION ?
So reading up further from the info @MI55ION pointed me to last night I think I'm going to down the route of using an AntiMode. Will mean it works with all my sources and I can set it up and forget it.
In other news... I found out today I can actually get the KEF KC62 for not much more than the D108. Small enough a difference to not really matter. Thoughts? I'm tempted to try and get both on a sale and return basis and keep the one that sounds best but it seems the KEF needs a decent amount of running in.
Also if I do that, I really should only do it once the LS50s actually turn up rather than trying it out with the Q150s I'm using right now.
Yes the 2yr warranty coupled with the KEF reputation for failing subs is a little off putting for sure! I wonder if RS do their 6yr warranty on them.The Antimode's a good call in your situation.
The KC62 certainly is an interesting proposition. According to the marketing it has some cool features and a 'servo' like design. 2 year warranty is a little err!
If you do get to compare them side by side, would be interested in your feedback.
Yep, hard to describe but with the BK you could tell it was a sub producing the bass, the D108 just disappears. Also the bass used to be similar on most tracks, now you really tell the difference between the different types of bass.
Thanks. Got a link?Not sure I'd rule it out from a demo but seen a YouTuber compare the SVS and Kef, said the Kef is impressive for its size but could tell it was trying too hard. To me that sounds like compression artefacts.
Conversely though, Steve Guttenberge thinks the KC62 is more nimble and a very good fit with the LS50s (which I'm running too).
bah! this is too complicated
oh this guy:I don't know who that is, how well he sat up the subs or what he means by nimble.
Do as you originally planned and demo them all despite any inconvenience or you might be left with the eternal what if!
I wouldn't mind demoing the SVS or Kef just out of pure curiosity so if anyone wants to send me their units feel free. Based on pure aesthetics I do like the look of the Kef but as a total package, the SVS is one hell of a proposition for systems like ours.
Having said that I can only speak for myself, find the JL to be a perfect fit in my system, even forgetting its on sometimes. No regrets.
oh this guy:
Steve Guttenberg’s review of SVS 3000 micro
from the other thread about the SB3000 micro, he compares it to the KC62 at one point as well though which he also reviewed recently.
Assuming KEF actually come through with stock this time... I should hopefully have a KC62 here at some point later this week or next. I have I think found a retailer with a demo unit of the D108 who should be able to let me have it next week too with a bit of luck (£50 shipping it back and forth though because I'm too lazy to go pick it up!).... and with a bit of help from @AmericanAudio I think I should be able to get an SVS here sometime next week too.
Yes I think there's something to this, though I don't think it explains all of the difference. In addition to this I think the JL Audio is more nimble too, that is to say that the drivers are better able to start and stop movement more rapidly leading to better reproduction of sounds that are short and intense like certain types of drums.Great feedback there and no I don't think you're imagining it at all.
I had a feeling you might find something similar but didn't want to say anything to prejudice the evaluation.
Without taking anything away from the JL, I suspect the primary reason for what you're experiencing with the SVS - a sort of detachment from the Kefs - is input and DSP processing lag. As well as being a fantastic package, with an industry leading driver and quality amp, the JL has the advantage of having a very short signal path. It really is lightning fast thanks to all those factors. With the SVS it gets a little more complicated, whilst the DSP is a welcome feature for many I really do think its adding enough of a delay that you can notice it with direct comparison against a top flight sub like the JL. The only way to level the playing field so to speak is to add a delay to the Kef/main speakers. However this will require added complexity to system such as the addition of a miniDSP like device or audio processor unless you're using the analogue preouts from the PC where you can do it within the software/audio driver. Even then I still think the JL would have it.
Yes I think there's something to this, though I don't think it explains all of the difference. In addition to this I think the JL Audio is more nimble too, that is to say that the drivers are better able to start and stop movement more rapidly leading to better reproduction of sounds that are short and intense like certain types of drums.
haha.. well technically I've paid for it and am waiting on a delivery (on the understanding I can return it without any problems if I don't like it).I think we are saying the same thing although I didn't elaborate, by "industry leading driver" I was basically hinting at its transient response. Or how "nimble" it is as you put it.
Your listening assessment is based on a very good method and one I often employ to judge the long term viability of a purchase. The coil whine is somewhat concerning.
I still suspect the biggest difference between the two is down to the processing delay. But I get what you're saying, even if that's accounted for, the sheer performance and natural ability to blend-in makes the JL an easy choice.
Now what about the Kef?
haha.. well technically I've paid for it and am waiting on a delivery (on the understanding I can return it without any problems if I don't like it).
So I could just leave that as is, or I could call and cancel the order. I'm a little curious as to how it will compare I guess so maybe I'll just leave the order open. Problem will be if I prefer it to the D108 as I will have already bought that by the time the KEF turns up and they don't seem to hold their value very well on second hand sales (though the rarely come up).
Part of me is also tempted to cancel the KEF order though because it seems to have a few glitches coming out of standby which will be quite annoying. Also it has DSP too so I suspect it will have same sort of integration problem as the SVS.
Yea I am pretty happy with the JL. The only reason to not cancel the order for the KEF would be curiosity!In all honesty I don't think the Kef will better the JL, for a desktop setup it's just formidable. But I haven't heard the Kef so it's pure speculation in my part.
From the sound of things it seems you're very happy with the JL, I'd be tempted to call it a day. I guess you know yourself better than anyone else....