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Bird Flu

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by neilneil, Oct 14, 2005.

  1. neilneil

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    It seems like it's comming at us no matter what we do. :(
    It's in Turkey now and I heard on the radio today that it either has already or can transfer to migratory birds and then there's no way it will be stopped from comming.

    Question is what do we do when it gets here?
    We are stocking up on regular flu vaccines but that just reduces the chances of bird flu and regular flu coming together.
    When they do finally mix there will be a flu that spreads like regular flu and is as deadly as bird flu.
    We (humans) have no natural defence against bird flu which is why it is so dangerous.

    -Neil
     
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    I don't even know what it is :confused:

    Keep hearing about it, but I have no contact with birds anyway so should I be worried? :)
     
  3. Monty Burns

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    Actually, from what I understand, the reason they don't want people to get "normal" influenza is that if its dna merges with the so-far non-human-to-human mix successfully it will THEN become a major problem, it suddenly probably gains human-to-human ... doh!

    So, if like me, your immune system is crap at kicking normal flu quickly and you get a regular flu jab - don't miss it this year! Imagine what a b&&ch it will be getting both at the same time! Almost certain death for me :rolleyes:

    Hey, think yourself lucky! This time next year I will be living in China ;)



    What do you do now if your really paranoid? Get yourself something called Tamoxiflu, i think thats what its called and is *supposed* to give you 80% chance of resisting H5N1 infection to start with. To the best of my CNN watching abilities, there have been no human-to-human confirmed cases ..... yet.


    *edit* Steve, its a flu virus that kills roughly 50% of the people it infects.
     
  4. Ed Selley

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    Aren't we getting a little worked up over something which has killed 68 people? Obviously it isn't great news for those 68 people but compared to just about any other infectious disease its not really going for it is it? Seems a bit like SARS to me.
     
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    My bird's got flu at the moment. Can you recommend any precautions? :D
     
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    if WMD aren't involved, we're perfectly safe
     
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  8. neilneil

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    That's exactly it Tons, currently it's very hard to catch. Ie you have to get it from a bird that is infected. But when a human does catch it is is often fatal because we have no natural defense mechanism do deal with a bird virus.

    The big worry is that scientists and the WHO have been predicting it's march across Asia for a while and they have now been proved right.

    NOW, if somone 1 in 50 million say unluckily catches bird flu AND also has our regular flu then the flu viruses can mutate together and create a deady bird flue which can jump from person to person with regular flu efficiency. Then we will have a huge problem on our hands.

    -Neil
     
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    This should be changed to a poll. How many people worldwide will be killed by the birl flu/ next pandemic?

    0-1,000
    1,000-1,000,000
    ...
    ...
    ...
    100,000,000+


    Bit morbid but hay ho :eek:
     
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    I can't understand why the newsreaders don't see the irony when they say:

    "The bird flu has reached Turkey."
     
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    Scarf over nose and mouth as well as the condom :D
     
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    The government estimate that the next flu pandemic will kill 50,000 people in the UK. That's their low estimate. The high estimate is 700,000. Did that wake anybody up? Here's a link to their contingency plan .

    Cheers,
    Liam
     
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    Oh dear :rotfl:
     
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    Go buy some tamiflu.
     
  15. Steve N

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    I work in local government as a QA/ inspector in the food industry.
    Avian Flu (bird flu) has been around for years.
    This is one off those things that has suddenly got Media attention, grown legs (as they say) and has become the new - lets panic now nonstory story.

    I don't want to be too flippant here as obviously it is of very serious commercial concern. But, in the grand scheme of things, relatively harmless to humans.

    There are two types of this flu, one is practically harmless and the other could be likened to the Salmonella scare in eggs some time ago - that is - quite dangerous to humans if you are old, very young, weak, pregnant or generally have a compromised immune system due to being ill or recovering from illness etc.
    The other News slant on this that I find slightly ludicrous is the " It's almost in Europe -it's reached Turkey" scare headlines.
    There was a serious outbreak in Holland two years ago and another lesser outbreak earlier this year in Holland.
    See here :- http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/h7n7-netherlands.htm
    But I don't suppose the "approaching Plague from Johnny Foreigner" storylines would have the same impact if this were commonly known.
     
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    Sneeze a lot, I expect :D

    "It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in"
     
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    I've been sneezing a bit and I feel the urge to ring bells at the top of ladders, look in mirrors and say "who's a pretty boy" and I've been eating a lot of millet over the last few days, does this mean I've got it ?
     
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    Am I the only one not bothered one iota about bird flu?
     
  19. Nick_UK

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    Well, I'm concerned, but not greatly bothered. My wife suffers from asthma, so she's a little more susceptable, but she will have a vaccination very soon. But there's no point in worrying about things that you have no control over.
     
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    If you are paying for the vaccination, I wouldn't bother, they are pretty much useless mate.
     
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    different strain (H7N7) in the Netherlands outbreak tho'

    Q: How many people died in the last flu pandemic (1918 Spanish Flu) ?
    A: 40-50 million.

    So even if the chance of a human-human transmissable strain of the H5N1 avain flu developing is small, the impact if it does is large enough that governments should be doing something to try to contain it, surely?
     
  22. Steve N

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    The symptoms look pretty serious I'm afraid.
    Have you been trying to head butt yourself in the mirror yet.
     
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    There have been 2 flu pandemics since 1918.

    1957 in which 2 million people died (17% of the UK population developed flu and 30,000 excess deaths were recorded, of which 6,700 were ascribed to flu).

    1968/69 in which 1 million people died (8% of the UK population developed flu and 78,000 excess deaths were recorded, of which 11,000 were ascribed to flu).

    The government is taking action. I provided a link to their plan earlier in the thread. Here's the summary:
     
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    All "at risk" people get the jabs free. That includes OAP's and those who suffer from life-threatening conditions, like asthma, bronchitis, heart disease, etc. I wouldn't say they were useless - can't see the NHS spending billions on vaccine if it was useless.
     
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    Given any Governments reluctance to spend any money unless it really has to, the announcement ( here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4355532.stm ) that they intend buying enough vaccine for EVERYONE in the UK is great news but more than a little worrying.

    Paul
     
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    TOTALY Agree Nick!

    I can tell you from experience they are not useless!

    Because of various medical reasons I get a flu jab every year and then one year I decided I couldn't be bothered to get the next one. Anyway as anyone who's had one knows they normaly get dished out Oct/Nov time to cover for that winter and the following year.

    So the Sept before the next jab was due I go on holiday with 2 mates, all three of us sharing one room. All three of us very fit early 20's (it was a few years ago). These two come down with the most amazing hot n cold flushes I have EVER seen. Bed sheets soaked. Shaking, shivering, throwing up ... the works. Every bone in there bodies ached and they could not move. Yet I remained unaffected :confused: We're all in the same room!?

    Anyway, after about 2 days of them having this we called a doctor in (they couldn't move out of bed). Turns out they had proper flu. The doctor was stunned I was OK and asked why? All I could suggest was that I had that years flu jab. He agreed.

    After seeing what these two went through, without a weakend "chest" .... there is no way on this planet I am ever missing one!!!


    If you think you have flu and your sitting at work thinking it, your wrong. Remember Influenza KILLS, its that serious. Enjoy your cold and wonder how bad it really could be.


    Suffice to say, when I got back from that holiday, the next jab was due soon enough and I was first on the list. I'm coming back to the UK, the main reason for the long weekend trip home? To get another flu jab.
     
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    Absolutely not! We need coffin dodgers; they must all live to be a hundred.
     
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    I think thats abit sensationalist - it 'can' kill but comparatively rarely depending on your physcial condition in the first place.
    Theres no need for everyone to get hysterical about it - you can die of food poisioned ... but normaly it just results in mild upset stomachs ... occastionally to feeling very bad.

    Generally, the advice is to seek immunisation if you are already in a weakend condition - ie are old, have a other serious medical conditions etc.
     
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    Damn I missed the boat. I saw a cartoon that said " 'Bird flu alert! These battery farmed chickens have never seen the light of day' outside a supermarket"
     
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    Can I suggest you check out THIS goverment document and be prepared to be stunned on how many English and Welsh people DIE each year from Flu complicated issues. It is actually a bit scarey! :)

    But, if you don't want to read the full details, heres a summary:

    3000 aged 65 to 74
    6000 aged 75 and over
    ....
    oh and 12000 normal people!

    ("depending on the amount and severity of ciculating flu")

    If you are entitled to free Flu jabs, get them. The reason these figures are "comparatively" low is because of them. :)


    Oh and I get mine because of Asthma. :(
     

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