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Bipole Surrounds...definitive answer

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by theroohster, May 12, 2004.

  1. theroohster

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    Ive just bought some bipole surrounds (Eltax B.6)
    and would like to know the best place to position them.

    I have read conflicting reports regarding this - some people say the back wall, some the side.

    Ideally I'd like to put them on the back wall, about 1/2 meter from the side walls, and two metres from the floor.

    Also, I now have a pair of Kef Q15s going spare....would there be any point replacing my Q95C centre speaker with one of them?

    I know the 95C is a dedicated centre speaker, but would the Q15 be a better match tonally for my front Q35s?

    Thanks.:confused:
     
  2. Ian J

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    How wide is the back wall on which you are thinking of putting the speakers and where do you sit in relation to the wall
     
  3. theroohster

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    The back wall is just under 5m wide and I sit fairly central, with the sofa almost flat against the back wall.
     
  4. Zone

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    If your seating is flush to the back wall then yes I'd say go for back wall placement, the way you suggest would be fine as the drivers facing away from the seating position will be firing into the side wall giving relected sound as they should.
    If you can move your seating forward then I would suggest side wall placement with the front driver aiming at the seating position and the oposite driver firing against the rear wall..
     
  5. theroohster

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    Thanks guys!

    Any ideas about using the Q15 as a centre speaker?
     
  6. theroohster

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    Q15 as a centre?
    Anyone?
    :lease:
     
  7. stevej

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    I have the .2 version of your setup and think that the Q15 would be better as a centre than the Q95. As I've said before the sound of the Q95 leaves a lot to be desired if pushed, even at moderately loud levels. IMO of course. :)
     
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    Any ideas on bipole's that would go with my Ruarks?
     
  9. Nic Rhodes

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    Q95 ain't much cop. The 100c is much better but a Q15 makes a great centre (I still have 3 pairs of these babies). All three L, C and R being the same 'helps' matching certainly.

    Zone has give good info re the bipoles. Frankly my Eltax bipoles are quite forgiving in their position and are under appreciated.
     
  10. stevej

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    Beekeeper, would you say that the 100c tonally matches the old Q series?
     
  11. Nic Rhodes

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    yes not bad at all. Actually this is one of the strengths of the Q and Ref uniQ drivers is that they are quite well matched. As UniQ is 'slightly' different the ranges work fairly well. I have mixed and matched KEF ref, THX, Q ranges and ref HC with reasonable success. The ones that are less good are the Q80, 90?, 95 cheaper ranges.

    I still think all three front speakers is the best way forward however given the choice, it is where I am heading……ultimately but if Q15 spares are available use them :)
     
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    The Eltax biploes are fantastic for the price. I have 4 of them as my surround speakers. Tm planning on modding them at a later date by soldering silver ani cable in them as they use clips to connect the cable internally. :devil:
    See what happons :cool:
     
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    Thanks for the comments guys,
    I'll try one of my spare Q15s as a centre this evening and let you know the result.
     
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    I've got the Q9c as a centre and the Q2Ds as rears..i must say i love em to bits.
     
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    the center channel is configured differently than other speakers , it is best to use a speaker that is a real center channel speaker for that position. the q9c is a excellent center speaker , so it the way overpriced q10c. :mad: personally I have never been a fan of dipole speakers , unless you want something that is out of the way on the wall. I use q1's as my rears and like them better. I like point surround sounds better. doesn't mean I am right it's what you like better. the q15 would make a fine rear center channel though!
     
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    I set up my Q15 as a centre last night....great improvement!
    Voices are richer, clearer, and the panning across the front 3 speakers is now seamless (there was always a tonal change, particularly with voices, using the Q95).

    Im very pleased with the result, and with my new Eltax bipoles. :)
     
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    yeah, I upgraded my system bi by bit - first off, I'm only had the 2 main speakers + Sub, then I got a centre which was excellent for vocals, but now I've got my new rears the sound is complete!!

    :thumbsup:
     
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    I am not sure I agree with the first point, centre speakers I believe are largely done for looks and their ability to sit in confined spaced under or above screens. SQ is secondary and they are rarely a perfect match for L and R. I have never met one that is a great match, some are very good, so are poor but never the capability of three identical speakers but for most that is not always practical.
     
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    So why do THX recommend the use of three identical speakers at the front and dipoles at the rear?
    I would have thought that Mr Lucas would know a bit about cinema sound?
     

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