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Big Star + Big Budget = Better Film

Discussion in 'TV Show Forum' started by Nike Swish, Jul 27, 2002.

  1. Nike Swish

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    I just got back from seeing Reign of Fire - what a load of old cr@p!
    I also just last week bought Planet of the Apes (2001) on DVD - what a load of old cr@p!
    Pearl Harbour - what a load of old cr@p!
    What have these three films got in common? Well they are all big blockbuster movies that lack big name stars!
    It occurs to me that there are very few actors that can carry off a blockbuster film - e.g. Tom Cruise in Minority Report is brilliant - my point is that I think big budget blockbuster films need BIG stars to carry them - if Harrison Ford or Schwarzennegger or Willis or Cruise had been in Planet of the Apes or Pearl Harbour they would have been much better films.
    People like Mark Whallberg and Matthew Maconahay just cannot pull off a big blockbuster, it takes a special type of actor, which they are not.
    I much prefer the old days of the 80s and early 90s where you didn't have a "Dragon" film or an "Ape" film - you had a "Schwarzennegger" film or a "Stallone" film.
    I guess there just aren't any decent actors around among the new breed of Hollywood. :(
     
  2. Bert Coules

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    I haven't seen Reign of Fire but the basic thing wrong with both Planet of the Apes and Pearl Harbour is the script. Improve that and you improve the film, no matter who's in it.

    A charismatic star or two is just the icing on the cake.

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    I enjoyed it. Thought Mark Wahlberg and Tim Roth were great in it and well cast.

    Agree with Bert though, the script is the most important thing. The best actor in the world can't make a poor film any better. As long as your actors can act, and you have enough of a budget to scrape by, you can still make great movies.

    As much as I enjoy a Schwarzenegger movie, he's not, by any stretch of the imagination, "a decent actor". And Stallone would be even lower down in the list ;)

    I watched Vanilla Sky last night and thought it was brilliant. But it didn't have to have Tom Cruise in the lead role to make it great. ;)
     
  4. Ian J

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    I agree with Nike Swish. It's only because John Travolta was in Battlefield Earth that it was such a brilliant film. A lesser actor couldn't have carried the film like he did.
     
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    A brilliant film? Must be different version than the one I saw then.:D
     
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    You didn't understand the subtle nuances because you are an Asgard :)
     
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    Or because he doesn't grasp the subtle nuances of sarcasm;) again, porsibly due to being an Asgard
     
  8. Bert Coules

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    He can't be "an Asgard" - Asgard is a place.

    Or is this more subtle sarcasm?

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  9. Ian J

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    What's someone from Asgard called then ?
     
  10. Bert Coules

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    What's someone from Asgard called then?

    A god. Asgard is the home of the immortals (including Thor - or Donner, if you're a Wagnerian) in Norse mythology.

    Thor had (has?) a nifty party trick with a giant hammer...

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    must disagree with this sg arnie acts his roles to perfection, his timing is brilliant and he even makes his accent work for him-who else could pull terminator and t2 and the rest off like him?
    If you think stallone can't act watch copland.:)
     
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    Copland did indeed prove that Stallone could act and act very well.

    Schwarzenegger plays certain roles to perfection, robots for instance, he is also very good at playing errrrrrrr, robots.:D
     
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    he's a natural with kids which a lot of "stars" aren't:)
     
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    Like Jonathan King and Gary Glitter? :D
     
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    What about Gary Glitter:confused: :D
     
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    God damn it Mac LOL :D

    Great minds think alike ;) :p
     
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    That is the second time we have posted exactly the same thing at exactly the same time:eek:

    Maybe I have a small bit of squirrel in me:confused:
     
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    It is isn't it :eek:
    Oh matron! Don't say that or the rumours will start ducky ;) :p
     
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    Sure - he's okay. But he's not Oscar material. ;)

    I'd rather not watch Arnie pulling off anyone if you don't mind :eek: :p

    I haven't seen it so will reserve judgement. :)
     
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    trust you two-don't you know it's sunday:) joking apart let's keep those ****s names off our forum.
     
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    Yes, agreed.

    Was just too easy a joke - you walked straight into it ;)
     
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    Think you need to rewatch numerous SG1 eps where the Asgard are spoke of as being...Asgard...or...Thor, a member of the Asgard council...or...Asgard with Asgard ships...or one of four great races comprising the Agard, Nox, and Furlings and Ancients etc.

    The Asgard are known by deity names to less developed races. They live, where once The Ancients did, in a galaxy called Ida.
     
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    If not, perhaps you'd like some :D
     
  24. Ian J

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    I assumed that he had taken his user name from the Asgard Commander character in Stargate.

    I don't suppose that there are many Wagnerians on this forum judging by the posts in the music section although most members will appreciate his music unwittingly, when it accompanies helicopter gunships.
     
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    I also assumed an SG-1 link. hence "an asgard". not asgardian or asgarder or anything like that.
     
  26. Bert Coules

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    If the ignorant creators of some Johnny-come-lately TV show choose to misuse a term that's been in use for centuries, they'll get no support from me...

    Bert
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    my point is that I think big budget blockbuster films need BIG stars to carry them - if Harrison Ford or Schwarzennegger or Willis or Cruise had been in Planet of the Apes or Pearl Harbour they would have been much better films.

    Disagree, even the best actor can't make a lousy script better nor substitute for a poor director and thus the film could not have been "much better" either.
    IMHO it has to have a combination of all three to make a film good: script, directing and acting - and not necessarily big stars or names are required for this.
     
  28. Sinzer

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    *Cough cough ahem* Big Name + Big Budget = Better Film = Bullsh*t.

    Some of my favourite films are Low budget + No Names including Clerks, Star Wars, Pie, Evil Dead series, Coen Brothers movies, Mad Max, Monty Python's etc etc

    Budget and Stars are not the problem, scriptwriters and directors are.
     
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    Does Johnny Come-Lately play the major or the Asgard? :p :D
     
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    Big stars have the luxury of picking and choosing their scripts. It isn't an infallible system; sometimes they get it very wrong, but not too often. Where the big stars go, so does the big money. This pushes up production values – better sets, costumes CGI etc – and before you know it, you’ve got a blockbuster.

    Smaller productions attract less finance, but there are far more of them made each year than we ever see on the big screen. Occasionally you get a real gem. East is East, Strictly Ballroom, The Princes Bride are all films that you might easily overlook.

    But even top actors like Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins, and a superb script by Frank Darabont could guarantee box office success for The Shawshank Redemption. Yet, this has become one of the most watch video releases of all time.

    There is no pattern to making a successful movie. A lot depends on the audience’s expectations and how the movie is sold to cinemagoers.

    Regards
     

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