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Derek S-H

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Used to live in London, 20 years ago I thought I could never live anywhere else. Now, I wouldn't go back unless forced to. It is a cesspit filled with the world's filth.
Ex-Londoner here too.

Slightly harsh, but I can see your point: everyone seems to be in a rush, hardly anyone makes eye contact and the air quality is truly terrible.
 
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deardai

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Or we could learn something from the Indian/Nepalese culture and once a parent becomes too old to look after themselves they move in with one of their kids and are looked after by their family, rather than out of sight out of mind in a care home
It’s not just in the Indian/Nepalese culture, but many others as well. As a foreigner in this country it comes quite shocking how parents are being brushed aside when they are most in need.
Not a sting at anyone as the circumstances are different to all of us, but the thought of my parents are ageing with me being so far away really worries me a lot.
 
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Bl4ckGryph0n

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I'm not convinced it has materially changed. I've been living now for nearly 20 years in the countryside (albeit still classed as outer Metropolitan area), but we are moving back into the capital. Stuff always happened, and will always happen. The countryside has its own share of problems.
 

Wahreo

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You couldn’t pay me to live in London. Or work there. I turn down a good five jobs per year to avoid the place. I used to venture in to do the odd Quotation but not anymore, no point. I’d rather work in Poland (Surrey) :rotfl:
 

aVdub

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You couldn’t pay me to live in London. Or work there. I turn down a good five jobs per year to avoid the place. I used to venture in to do the odd Quotation but not anymore, no point. I’d rather work in Poland (Surrey) :rotfl:
TBH It will not be long until you could consider London as a safer bet than places like the Medway towns or Margate at the rate the anti socials are being shipped out.

Rudolph Giuliani did the same for NY and everyone cheered at how safe NY became, but no one ever mentioned the suburbs that took the brunt of this cleanup :\
 
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Wahreo

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I think it’s bad everywhere. Luckily I’m quite a way from London but regardless of that I signed up to the emails from my local neighbourhood watch and was surprised how much crime was being carried out around me. Something really does need to be done about it.
 

Trollslayer

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Schools and police cut back too far because of the 2008 banking collapse are major factors.
Brexit will have to be a big success to reverse that and even then that will take time.
 

Bl4ckGryph0n

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You couldn’t pay me to live in London. Or work there. I turn down a good five jobs per year to avoid the place. I used to venture in to do the odd Quotation but not anymore, no point. I’d rather work in Poland (Surrey) :rotfl:
Is it because of traffic, parking etc? If so I totally get what you mean. I mean it can take me longer to across London than it would take me to drive from Amsterdam to Calais. I can imagine that would really eat into your day and thus profitability.
 

Bl4ckGryph0n

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TBH It will not be long until you could consider London as a safer bet than places like the Medway towns or Margate at the rate the anti socials are being shipped out.

Rudolph Giuliani did the same for NY and everyone cheered at how safe NY became, but no one ever mentioned the suburbs that took the brunt of this cleanup :\
You aren’t wrong there. We notice it in the outer metropolitan area. The amount of blades and drugs is just staggering. The language has changed as well. Hilarious and sad at the same time.

So time to move back into the big cities 😂
 

Bl4ckGryph0n

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Schools and police cut back too far because of the 2008 banking collapse are major factors.
Brexit will have to be a big success to reverse that and even then that will take time.
Major factors, hmm I’m not sure about that.

It’s a choice. People choose to do that and get into that life. Sure I get some may think they have no other choice. But remember we created this society ourselves. Sure Schools and Police play part in that, but it has to start at home, with the parents.
 
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Trollslayer

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Less money for schools, not enough teachers so they resort to barring kids who then get into trouble etc.
Basically the kids are written off.
The increasing murder rates and the 'county line' gangs are evidence of this.
 

aVdub

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One thing that has opened my eyes is joining as many groups and local FB news pages across my County and other counties I like to visit or spend time staying in.
It is only then that you get to appreciate just how widespread this is becoming and how it is having massive effects on area's once considered 'Nice to live and socialise in' that are now plagued by gangs of feral children, drug dealers, anti social families and and and the list is massive.
I visit and also talk to many in socially diverse area's and they also state for example that the massive estate built down the road is now a no-go or how crime is now plaguing their small village or town shops.

One thing seen a lot local to be is new faces popping up on social media with questions ranging from "Just moved here, where can I send my kids to school" to "Where am I" to the usual doctors/dentists and many other things that I'm sure plenty of us would check before upping and moving to a new area and shows that many are either taking the third and last option handed to them by their council, or are being moved out due to complaints.

I'm a stranger in my own town/county.
 

Trollslayer

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About a month ago multiple police forces worked together and arrested 738 members of county line gangs in one day.
That says a lot about how things have changed.
 

mitchec1

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TBH It will not be long until you could consider London as a safer bet than places like the Medway towns or Margate at the rate the anti socials are being shipped out.

Rudolph Giuliani did the same for NY and everyone cheered at how safe NY became, but no one ever mentioned the suburbs that took the brunt of this cleanup :\

Personally I think Kent County Council should be allowed to bill the London boroughs for the extra police and other resources being used to deal with them.

Or the London boroughs just deal with their own crap and stop dumping on Kent.

Plenty of ex Londoner's who moved out down to where I live move to get away from them and the dump that's London.

The difference in Medway and Thanet is the locals will take it into their own hand and deal with them.

It's already happening an results of some of the interactions aren't pretty
 

Miss Mandy

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Less money for schools, not enough teachers so they resort to barring kids who then get into trouble etc.
Basically the kids are written off.
The increasing murder rates and the 'county line' gangs are evidence of this.
That's a common misconception though. Schools can't suspend and/or expell pupils like they used to. Schools can now only remove a child if they've organised a managed move to another school or education facility. It's more likely to be down to the parents that a child isn't going to school.

Also county lines comes more from everyone having access to mobile phones and the internet than anything else. It's now so much easier for people to get in contact with each other.
Many parents have no idea what their child is doing on their phone so it's very easy for gangs to make contact with disillusioned kids via all sorts of apps and persuade them to join the gang. In a lot of cases it's in the gangs interests to have the kids in school because that's more kids to sell to and recruit.
 

mr starface

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When people refer to London not sure if they mean everything zones 1-6 or just central? Been to plenty of places in Kent that are worse than a lot of places that full under London that's for sure
 

Wahreo

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Is it because of traffic, parking etc? If so I totally get what you mean. I mean it can take me longer to across London than it would take me to drive from Amsterdam to Calais. I can imagine that would really eat into your day and thus profitability.
parking, charges to get into London, traffic getting into and out of London and if I need anything during the day it’s two hours written off. I have to charge a disproportionate amount extra per day to do the work to cover my expenses and hassle. Also I have other commitments so I like to work locally. Maybe I’ll venture back to LDN in a few years.
 

mitchec1

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When people refer to London not sure if they mean everything zones 1-6 or just central? Been to plenty of places in Kent that are worse than a lot of places that full under London that's for sure
Any of the London boroughs, but for me Thamesmead, Lewisham, Abbeywood, Plumstead,to name a few areas

Get away from tourist area's and run foul of the Greenwich boys.

Outside my work near Slade Green station drug dealers openly plying their trade, you wouldn't have seen them a couple of years, but the London borough of Bexley has had the dross from other boroughs dumped on them.

Kent isn't all sweetness and light, but compared to how SE London has gone down hill over the past 5 year's it's definitely not any worse.
 

mr starface

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Any place in any London Borough? Wow that's a lot of different places and people to label but everyone entitled to their own opinion.

I find most places be they county or Borough have their equal share of dodgy people and places.
 

imightbewrong

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When the doom monger brigade describes 'London' I often wonder if I've lived and worked in the same one for the past 15 years. Hey ho :)
 

mitchec1

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Any place in any London Borough? Wow that's a lot of different places and people to label but everyone entitled to their own opinion.

I find most places be they county or Borough have their equal share of dodgy people and places.
Didn't say any place in any London borough though did I

I said all of the London boroughs that's London. My opinion is London is a hole so much so 2 years ago after 18 year's of living there I'd had enough and left.

There again maybe the fact my wife (born in Lewisham) and my friends spend their working life dealing with crime and criminals in the capital, so it doesn't leave the best impression in my household or with me.

I still work there and get to see certain area's and how they've changed and not for the better so my label for SE London stand's.

How many stabbings, shootings, muggings in 2019?

How many kids dying, gangs running amok fighting over a postcode, drugs?

Areas including Kent and my old city have issues but nowhere near the issues London has.

So unfortunately from me the cess ridden dump is an apt description
 

Derek S-H

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When the doom monger brigade describes 'London' I often wonder if I've lived and worked in the same one for the past 15 years. Hey ho :)
Looking beyond the sensationalist headlines (which don't seem to put off the millions of tourists who visit every year), what's been your experience, then?

Are you actually in Romford? I wouldn't call that London, though I appreciate you're in the London Borough of Havering so I suppose, technically, you are.

My sister lives in Kentish Town. I wish she could afford to move out, even though there's a Police station in her road, so minimal crime.
 

Wahreo

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Obviously there are nice parts of London, like all areas have good and bad parts. I just think that there are far more bad parts of London than there used to be. Same with where I live I guess, it’s gone downhill since I became an ethnic minority.
 

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