Heard a system this weekend which convinced me that: a) stereo is still best for music b) CDs can sound easily as good and better than LPs c) you don't need a sub if you have the right setup. basically, it was the best system I've ever heard: Wadia 8 CD transport, Wadia 15 DAC with digital pre-amp, Belcanto Evo 200.4 digital 4ch. power amp running bridged (360Wpc and runs totally stone cold!!), Monitor Audio GR20s. For those who visit the HiFi Choice forums it's Big Tone's system The most amazing thing was the incredibly tight and controlled bass which could vibrate the room if loud enough - better than any sub system I've heard. Also, he has an FMJ DV27 DVD player and he demonstrated it as a CD source (into the Wadia DAC)...the Wadia transport just destroyed it. I couldn't believe that 2 transports could sound so different. The upshot of all this is basically that now I know what a Wadia etc. type of stereo system can do I know that no AV processor (used as a DAC or pre-amp) will ever be as good Michael.