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Best route into a PWD6 ?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by JohnCCFC, Mar 31, 2005.

  1. JohnCCFC

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    I have read a mountain of stuff on the subject and just which to clarify a point.

    Is the general consensus that the VGA analogue route beats DVI digital? (due to the 50/60 Hz judder issue)

    I have a choice.

    Thanks
     
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    The judder is part of it, the other part is how you get the frame rate conversion. That will cost you £750 for a scaler, and for the gain you get for the digital connection, it's not worth it for that alone. Using the scaler on analogue saves you the price of the DVI board, eliminates judder, and is nearly indistinguishable from the DVI. I use DVI, but mostly cos I need to demo it, rather than it must be done that way.
     
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    Thanks for the reply MAW, do you get any judder at all?
     
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    On DVI, yes I do. I don't watch much sport, and a bit of judder on scrolling text doesn't bother me. You don't notice it much on anything else unless you really concentrate. I imagine it's a bit of a problem if you are a golf fan, that's exactly the kind of movement where you would most likely get annoyed by it. There is no judder at all on analogue.
     
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    MAW, if one were merely looking for a scaler for analgue and with my set up....are you still looking at the iscan or Lumagen or there is cheaper alternative?
     
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    It's still worth going for the iscan HD, or basic lumagen. You need to be able to send a defined resolution to the screen, many cheaper devices calling themselves scalers are not really. Things like briteview and pro-v, not really worth it.
     
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    cheers mate
     
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    A pro-v is not going to be better than your RGB to VGA, Mep
     
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    Thanks MAW, you've answered my question. I'm a HUGE footie fan and this kind of effect would be a problem. Thanks.
     
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    No worries, stick with analogue, but the scaler will help your grass look like grass, and you might get to read the names on the shirts on a good day!
     
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    John and MEP for what you want to do (improve TV etc not make a panny HD capable) a plain Iscan HD would be ideal.....no need for the HD+
     
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    thanks Horny...just need to persuade myself to spend even more now ;-)
     
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    HD,

    Thanks for your comment. I'm trying to future proof my scaler, even though my panel today is SD, it will be HiDef in time. My remedy needs to be best for both, therefore I've chosen Lumagen HDP. My initial question was based on reading a lot about the panny DVI boards struggling with native res at 50Hz. I read a (JoeF or Liam) thread where the reason was explained. VGA input (aside from the fact it requires no additional board) will be my route.

    I started looking at the iScan HD and it snowballed from there. My wallet has fallen out with me over these forums. It says I'm not the same anymore, it says it just feels 'used'. :D :D
     
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    You won't be the first to get scorch marks on the credit card.
     
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    :eek: :eek: :eek: and i thought the chap with denon 3803 and Mission FS2 AV speakers had his priorities backwards................(gordon will be chuffed ;) )
     
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    It's a bit different as the scaler won't blow the plasma up, unlike the 3803 and missions. Wonder if they still work. Maybe they are now in the classifieds, i careful owner, never turned up to eleven...
     
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    huh?? priorities backwards ?? Could you explain your thinking ??

    Not sure whether :rolleyes: , :eek: or :clap: is more appropriate.
     
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    £1300 Scaler................£1300 plasma............................
     
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    The iscan at £750 would do the job, though no objections to the lumagen, far from it!
     
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    Well, the story is . . .

    1) Got stitched up like a kipper on the high st with a budget plasma tv.
    2) Unloaded it at a large loss on purchase price
    3) Started reading threads in here until late into the night
    4) Was deciding which HD plasma to get
    5) Decided it was bad time right now (multitude of reasons)
    6) Got a stunning price on PWD6 (useful VGA input compared to 7 series)
    7) Calculated that the cost of PWD6 is about same value by which HD panels will fall by over next 12 - 24 months (by which time there'll actually be somoe HD to watch).
    8) I based my calculation on reading threads from 12 months ago to see just how much 6 series cost then
    9) Went SD cheap and easy for now, let the HD prices fall (and fall)
    10) Studied all scaler options in as much detail as possible
    11) Invested the difference into a better scaler
    12) Swan in when the technology is more mature and cheap as chips, pick up an HD8 or equivalent for sensible money
    13) Keep the future-proofed, high quality scaler (all HD compliant)
    14) Bobs your uncle, best of both worlds
     
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    Though it's too late now, I'm quite open to hearing opinions on my decision-making. I was brand new to all this 6 weeks ago and discovered myself caught in a strange SD/HD changeover period where my instinct was to not buy at all for a while. I'd like to think that my solution has some sensible logic in it.

    (and BOY have I read some long and detailed threads over the past few weeks)

    I think I'll do some of these anyway . . :clap: :clap:
     
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    No flaw I can see, except I think plasma prices are grinding along the bottom now. Wholesales are starting to creep up I think.
     
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    Incidentally, I'd like to add a 'HUGE' thank you to the countless individuals who's time, effort, and comments have helped my come to my decision.

    :smashin: :thumbsup: :)
     
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    no worries john spot on and will be very pleased......if it wasnt for the stitched up on the3 highstreet bit it would have been a forum perfect purchase...............
     
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    Thanks HD. Your affirmation helps endorse my (thrilled silly about it) purchase.

    It helps make the fact that I've stared at the panel on the wall for a week with only '2' hours chalked up (nothing to put into it yet !!) all worth while.
     
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    John ..I have had a beautiful adventure here too over the last 2 months..its people like Horny that are the true gents of this world! was going to buy a pioneer 505 but inst4ead lookee at my signature!

    xxx
     
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    You're just showing off now . . . ;)
     
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    no man..i just went to Liam and said "what have you got? I want the same"..

    wish i twere that simple Johnny but it was thousands of hours spent on here ..hours on da phone to peeps...demos of other gear..etc!

    Its hard work this AV lark innit!

    Enjoy your new telly on da wall mate..incidentally when are you actually gonna stop staring at it and watch summat???

    Regards

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    It's very hard work. I'm trying to get my head around the scaler end of stuff at the moment. All my stuff arrived yesterday, so I am actually staring at a picture now.
     
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    Hey John

    Cool...so wot scaler you got and why are you not getting it installed proper and are you getting it ISFed? erm..wots yer screen??

    Dil
     

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