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Best musical sub for £400 or less?

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by Vipen, Nov 20, 2003.

  1. Vipen

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    that's my budget really. i want deep tight exntension in the bass region which will compliment my Mission 753s. also of course the surround mode is important but not as much.

    it will be powered by a NAD T752.

    i'm using a mission sub at the moment (a friends) and the bass is a bit loose. do you know what i mean? always lagging behind the music. maybe it's the 3m cable to it i'm using??

    that's all really. a guy at t-audio said the REL Quake would be good. hmmm, really? it's tiny!! hey, i don't know, i just would like some opinions.

    TIA
     
  2. Ian J

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    Size isn't necessarily an indicator of power and depth. Have a look at the MJ Acoustics range of subs which seem to be much loved by audiophiles.
     
  3. Vipen

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    no i agree, that's why i need some opinions. as you can tell from my mission 753s, i don't 'get out' much in the AV world. read all about them but when it comes to purchase, i'm a little shy.

    now is the time!
     
  4. YS-YS

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    personally im a Rel guy.
    take a look at the Quake, it goes down to 23Hz. and will give enough bass for all you junkies.
    if you use the hi level connection its even better for music, but take a listen and see for yourself.
     
  5. Vipen

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    what's the difference between the quake and say the Q100e or Q150e?

    also, do they switch themselves off when there's no signal. the sub i'm using at the moment is on always unless powered off manually. another friends powers off automatically.

    and also also, the quake is rated at 50w. is this right? is that really enough to match up with big floorstanders? i'm not saying wattage is king but it must give some indication.

    cheers for more info
     
  6. Nic Rhodes

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    That made me laugh, 23 Hz ;)



    I would look to Ian J suggestion or see if there are any Paradigm in Richer sounds.
     
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    If it was me I would try to buy a second hand Strata III for a musical sub
     
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    laugh why?

    http://www.rel.net/products/Quake.shtml

    its 100W not 50 :laugh:
     
  9. Vipen

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    i saw a Mission M5AS for £199. any interesting facts on this?

    i'm looking at a few now.
     
  10. Nic Rhodes

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    beacuse

    1, It is an in room 'optimised' measurement, real measurements will be well over 30 Hz, the emphasis on WELL
    2. It is -6db which is daft, really should be using -3dB or better
    3. It is not quoted at any level
    4. It is not quoted and any distortion level.

    It is a bit like saying my car can achieve 100 mpg (under certain idealised conditions) when every day I get 45 mpg, this ain't bad but neither is it 'strictly' accurate
     
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    Vipen - it's huge and heavy, and the price you saw it as is second hand and probably battered & tatty (the M5AS that is).

    I assume you've seen it at Hyperfi.

    There's a review on the home cinema choice website if you want to read : http://www.homecinemachoice.com
     
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    Beekeper: Which sub do you use? and what would be your recommendation to Vipen? Which sub should he look at?
     
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    Would that be a 23hz Whisper :laugh:?
     
  14. Vipen

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    dimmy, yes it was at hyperfi. battered and tatty? can they really sell them like that? i thought ex-demo was guaranteed and obviously for sale in as new condition but 'used'. oh well, i'm just looking for the mo', my friend will be taking his sub back once his decorated......then starts the panic!
     
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    Hyperfi are a very questionable retailer.

    My friend bought a Yamaha VS-10 package from them a little over a year ago, which he was told was brand new and boxed and sealed.

    When it arrived, the story was somewhat different.

    It's really touch-and-go to the quality of products you'll buy from hyperfi, and I for one would rather spend the extra money on the greater assurity of buying 'from new'.
     
  16. Vipen

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    so what was story dimmy, don't leave me in suspense? did he send the package back and get a full refund??

    i was thinking of buying a NAD cd player from them you see. haven't shopped about yet but i've purchased from them years ago and it was pretty painless. apart from the fact they want your money quickly and you off the phone even quicker!!!

    come to think of it, that's pretty poor.
     
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    No he kept it because it was dirt cheap and they said they had nothing to replace it with for him :laugh:.
     
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    and you wonder why domestic service levels in UK are so crap !!!
     
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    I would agree with Ian. The MJ subs and the REL subs are by far the most flexible and musicla subs around. Bear in mind Vipen's original request was for a musical sub, not a boom box which is fine for home cinema.

    I would recommend either the REL Quake or the MJ Acoustics Reference 100.
     
  20. cameronl

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    I got a velodyne cht-10 recently for £325 if thats any help.

    CaM
     
  21. Nic Rhodes

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    I would look to MJ or secondhand. Paradigm at RS do some great value stuff as well.

    I use

    REL Stentor
    Paradigm Servo15 (2)
    Gallo :blush:
     
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    Vipen

    I still have the REL 201 (maple wood finish) for sale in the classified section which is in your price range. Definate step up from the Quake or 150. Twice the power of the Squeak (sorry..I mean Quake!) but still extremely compact. Good sub for both music and movies.

    http://www.rel.net/products/Q201E.shtml

    Still suprised that no one has bought yet. Still when you can get 23hz out of the Quake why look for anything better! RELs quoted responses still make me laugh!
     
  23. Ian J

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    Found something even funnier last week with a sub manufacturer quoting that his sub went down to 35Hz at -6db.

    I thought that was a reasonable bottom end for a satellite :D
     
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    strange i cant find what the MJ Acoustics Reference 100 frequency is quoted at.

    oh well, I'll stick with my rel then.
     
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    YS-YS

    I think the point is that the frequency responses provided by the majority of sub manufacturers don't provide a fair reflection of how these operate in the real world. If they were then the REL 201 (17hz according to the REL website) ought to capable of serious room shaking stuff. Having recently upgraded to a Velodyne Digital Drive I now know what subs are capable of!
    Don't get me wrong, I've had a REL for the last 18-months and have been extremely pleased with the overall performance. It was also a huge improvement on my previous Def Tech sub. However, there no escaping the fact that if you really want a sub to perform effectively at these lower frequencies (<25hz) then you've got to look beyond the REL Q series. What you think is the lower end of the frequencies is probably just distortion!
     

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