Best LED Warm white light strips?

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    Hi all,

    For a kitchen, I'm needing some LED strip lighting.

    I need one 10m length, four 1m lengths, and one 3m length.

    All will be on at the same time, but the 3m and one of the 1m lengths is on an island, and the rest is for wall mounted units around the sides.

    Just wondering if anyone has any commendations for good quality equipment and how many drivers will I need for that set up, and do I need jointing bits and pieces?
     
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    Just researching, would RGBW strips give me the best of all worlds?

    Also, what's the chances of being able to control these over wifi, ideally by Control 4 or an app based solution?

    I'll have Phillips hue in the house also, be brilliant if they were compatible.
     
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    Mi light dmx and hue are all possibilities in c4
     
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    You lost me there!

    Do I need any particular type of light strip to be dimmable by C4?

    I haven't got a spare dimming circuit,must using one bank of 8 dimmable Phillips Dynalite, linked to the C4 hub.

    I was hoping I might be able to use a wifi controller on the led strips but somehow have access to it in C4 . Not a deal breaker though for me, I'd be happy if I could just on off them either.....
     
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    They are all products which have paid drivers available in c4 dmx being the dearest protocol and mi light being prob the most affordable/ cheapest quality.
     
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    If I understood well you need at least 2 Zones/areas, one for the "wall mounted units" and second for the "island".
    The configuration as below (for using 24V quad RGBW LED strips):
    1 x 100W LED Driver (PSU) + 1 x RGBW LED controller (3m+1m, RGBW LED strips- island).
    1 x 60W LED Driver (PSU) + 1 x RGBW LED controller (1m+1m+1m, RGBW LED strips - wall mounted units).
    2 x 100W LED Driver (PSU) + 2 x RGBW LED controllers (10m RGBW LED strips, split into 5m+5m - wall mounted units).
    1 x Wifi LED strip gateway controller
    1 x multi zone wireless remote control (optional)

    I will also prepare a quick connection diagram and add it to this thread for you.
     
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    Thanks very much.

    Actually, I might add a picture - in two of the 1m lengths, I can get away with white only as they are up against a red splash back, which I probably don't need colour changing on.

    Actually, if you could give me an official quote on those, I might just purchase from you. I know the Chinese eBay pieces are cheaper, but id be concerned about reliability and warranty, so happy to pay a bit more locally.

    Any extra discount for AVF members? :)
     
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    @hiline lighting , also, can I use a Control 4 driver on that setup? Or does it need to be the dedicated remote?
     
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    Unfortunately I cannot advise about c4 as I have no experience using that. If dmx is a possibility in c4 you can try changing the control gear with DMX LED controller and get advice on how to combine that with control4.
     
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    If it's just turning the strips on and off in c4 then the puck relays would be a good option.
     
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    Are they not way more expensive than the individual controllers at £35 each?
     
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    Yes, but they work in control4 and the basic controllers won't. Whatever path you go there will be a fair uplift in cost if you go for c4 integration. Mi light is probably the cheapest control method however you have the controller, driver and programming cost. The benefit of that is that you can control lighting scenes as with other lights within c4
     
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    If on and off is satisfactory then the puck switches work the best but cost around £160 + fitting + programming.
     
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    Sounds like you have panelised lighting, you could then add a relay module, control all the LEDs and add a lighting control element to the external lights. This would be an investment, however you are then controlling the outside lights within c4 also. Many approaches to get the solution you desire :)
     
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    I don't know. It depends how it integrates with hue and how control4 handles that within the hue driver. Are you currently using hue and the c4 driver?
     
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    Your c4 guy is the man to talk to as he has to make it all work.
     
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    My install isn't started yet, but my guy tells me he can handle Hues vis C4 in the cinema room. And yeah, it is panellised lighting.

    Whats the difference in a LED Driver and an LED Controller? And what I have posted is called a ballast - is that a controller?
     
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    Thing is we all have different ideas how to do different things. There's products I could mention to you which your guy may not thank me for, ever heard of, or thinks is the best. Dmx is a unified protocol. There are other systems which you can din mount and run along side panelised. If it's not done yet the wiring is your oyster. No person better to ask than the guy who be making it happen. I'd be questioning if hue was the correct way for coloured lighting, it may be it may not. If you use dmx say it could be cost effective and a wired solution. You can also buy some very good quality rub bulbs for use with dmx.
    A forum like this is probably not the best way to design your lighting system.
     
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    A controller controls the setting of lights
    A driver provides a suitable method of powering the lights
    The ballast you show is essentially a zigbee controller ( c4 uses its own zigbee protocol as is not suitable with the controller shown)
     
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    Ah the main lights are already agreed and designed.

    To be honest, I asked to have Hue incorporated into the cinema room.

    And I agree - actually this thread is really about plinth lights and countertop led strips for the kitchen only - as is usual in forums, it fell off the rails!
     
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    Well I ordered up a few sets of RGBW light strips in Warm White, and also the PSUs.

    Will use the Hue type controllers and hopefully my C4 will be able to talk to them.
     
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    I ordered up earlier :)
     
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    When you say hue type are they the ballasts you showed the other night?
     
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    Yeah, they seem to be App controllable at the very least, so even if C4 doesn't control it, it should get me by.
     
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    Yes I noticed the app may be different to the Phillips one just needs playing around with really.
     
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    There's a guy on AVS using them, he said as soon as he plugged them in, it was recognised as another light by the Hue - app hopefully it will be that simples!
     
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    Assuming hue populates it and see it the same. You should be good to go. Be interested to know how you get on
     
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    Thanks to @hiline lighting for the fast dispatch of my strips and PSUs, just waiting on the controllers from Amazon and for the kitchen guy to install the toeboards before we can install them.....
     

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