Thanks for your reply in both posts, I get your point about using all in one I have an existing one at the moment which is great but I wasnt aware that the ps3 is able to upscale and also there is the issue with ps3 overheating, I have a day 1 60gb common fault and as the rest of the things are all shiny black sony except sky I would prefer to stay the same, I only have a room which is 20ft x 12ft so not very big will the sound difference be that great if I went for a surround sound kit only?? I also like the look of the 2 tall boys otherwise I will have to fix speakers to the wall, which Im not keen on, I have been looking at the dav f200 as a 2.1 option or the dz-560, I want something for a couple of years then go for a bose or B&O, about the cabling im deffinatley not going to rip the carpet up, paid a fortune for it, and when I tried it at my last house never went back quite right that is why im a bit wary!! might consider pulling cable through. Thanks again, great help