The Sharp HP20 has 7.1 analog too.
My question really was more to do with how impressed people have been with the quality of the analogue sound output with respect to their player.
IIRC the only player available in UK with 7.1 analogue is / was Panasonic BD10,
The Sharp HP20 has 7.1 analog too.
Four questions, (all probably stupid):
1. Does this mean that these 2 players decode the HD audio soundtracks on board and send it as LPCM to the amp, via analog?
2. Which HD audio soundtracks can they decode (I'm coming from the Toshiba HD EP35 HD DVD player which will only decode DD+ and TrueHD, and will only touch the core DTS track)
3. Does the list widen if you're only interested in 5.1 channel audio, not 7.1?
4. Are there any players currently planned which will add to this list?
Yep, sorry, slight infelicity of terms. Analog output to an amp with all the processing & balance done in the player is what I'm after1). Yes and No, LCPM is a digital signal and cannot be sent via analogue. The player has it's own DACs and your amp has to only deal with an analogue signal. Yes this means that HD audio must be decoded in player and all bass management must be done in player too, so you need to make sure the BM is good enough for your needs.
is the Samsung 1400 in that list as well?2) So far the best players (Panasonic BD10, some Sony's, some Pioneers) decode DD+, TrueHD and DTS-HD HR but NOT MA
Like several of you folks, I also bought a BD10 for its 7.1 analogue outputs. And very good it is too!
However, I think if you're content with 5.1 analogue then there are several other players that offer this I believe. Certainly Sony's one option.
The Denon DOES have onboard sound decoding, it just doesn't have any analogue outputs full stop. It passes either non-decoded bitstream (won't work at all with profile 1.1) or decoded and mixed PCM which is what you'll HAVE to use if you want profile 1.1 extras to work as intended.Note that Denon are kind of alluding to the above with one of their planned new BD player where it doesn't have any onboard sound decoding.
Personally I wouldn't trust the analogue output sections in any of the existing BD players, as I'm severely doubtful as to their focus on doing a really good job.
For example (and I know this isn't representative for all BD players), I've compared the analogue output from my Sammy BD player (thus decoding the HD audio signal onboard) to using a coax digital output to an external amp (thus using the audio from normal DTS), and IMO the non-HD audio sounded better. The Sammy is clearly working with a higher quality audio medium, meaning that the onboard processing is frankly pants.
The two BD players with 7.1 analogue outs - what adjustments can you make 'in player'?
I'm thinking of speaker size, distance, level, etc,
tausifs how did you find the sharp.....just wandering as it sounds like you are looking to upgrade?
i must say the new panasonic bdp50 does sound like its going to be the one for many with being able to decode dtshd master and output via the analogues.......just wandering what kind of price tag is going to be attatched to something like that.
i also thought that the denon would decode dtshd master onboard and output via 7.1 analogue but another member seems to think that isnt the case.
the sharp is reasonably good with analogs but only after the fw update. it doesn't beat my hd-a1 hddvd player though, the latter with its 2.0 fw was better than the latest 2.4 fw and better than 2.2, imo and i reverted to fw2.0 because of this.
my point of reference is playing the U2 vertigo dvd on dts. the toshiba a1 absolutely rocks and i am addicted to the sound on the tosh when it plays, it drives my wife mad !
my logic is that if the player can do dts well then it should do the hd sound formats similarly well. and if the system sounds musical then it would be good for movies too, but the converse isn't always true imo.
i am thinking ahead however, for a bluray player but i am in no hurry at all to upgrade, just testing consensus opinion if there is one.
but how on earth can you audition bluray players in your own home with the kit and cables you like ? the higher end gear is serious money to chance it, and it may not sound right in your own particular setup. it used to be easier with separates.
while i am not at all familiar with hd dvd i do find that an earlier fwu is better than a recent one a bit bizare, proof is indeed in the listening though.( i wonder why this is)
it seems like you made a good choice with the sharp, i may have to look into that model myself, as there seems like there is nothing for definate if at all on the horizon that will decode all the latest lossless codecs.
i like the idea of 7.1 analogue outs compared to the 5.1 on the bdps300 that i have . and there does appear to be alot of titles with 7.1 pcm at the moment.
interesting point made by pecker about dts core.