Look for Sony, Panasonic or Samsung. No issues in my experience with upscaling from any of these makes. I would personally make Sony and Samsung my frontrunners.Hi All
I want to buy a 40-42" 4K TV that has a good upscaler built in so my old SD DVDs are reasonable quality. Any recommendations ?
The two different LCD panel types. Every LCD TV is based around either an IPS or VA panel.I am upgrading from a Panasonic 42" Plasma which does a wonderful job with SD formats.
What is IPS and VA ?
I am upgrading from a Panasonic 42" Plasma which does a wonderful job with SD formats.
What is IPS and VA ?
I don't agree with SD looking worse on 4K panels vs FHD ones. Not a good SD source like a Hollywood DVD from last 10 or so years. I personally consider this a myth. Unless you're turning all the processing on, a good (mid range and up) 4K TV vs most FHD TVs looks the same with a DVD. I'm talking about 49"-55" sizes. Obviously the bigger you go for any TV and SD will suffer.I really would sample your material on a tv if you can before you buy it.
DVDs, depending usually on the age of coming
film are amongst the best SD quality you can get and in my opinion they look worse on UHD tv's.
You only need to read reviews to see that's generally what people find with an UHD tv versus a FHD one.
You can find threads on here too. Most recently someone posted on here because they were showing normal freeview across TVs in his local Currys and he found it looked awful on UHD tv's.
There's also been people who have opted to stay with FHD for that reason. Including someone who saw a Sony W8xxc series tv next to a X85xxC and bought the FHD model instead because SD looked so much worse..
So those who own them will likely defend them, those that don't may think they look terrible with SD by comparison and it may well be the case its not noticeable to you, but there's a good chance it will be too. Do what I have done and demo material side by side and make your mind up!
Ah, good point, well I only ever play DVDs in a Blu-ray Player set to 1080p, so that may well be the issue with other people finding 4K upscaling from SD poor in comparison to on a FHD TV. I have found this method to be best, even with 1080p TVs. I rememer testing my DVD being played upscaled vs letting the TV do it and there being much better deinterlacing in the player (in that case, an old Panasonic) vs the TVs.The problem is also with source input, for example a DVD sent at its native resolution to the TV and its going to look better than sending a DVD upscaled to 1080p by something else and then to 2160p.
But the worse of the SD picture quality is to be found with broadcast tv, mostly because its a far far more heavily compressed source.
and from the review of the same TV on here:Scaling Best we’ve seen on a consumer TV
Video mode deinterlacing Decent for SD; excellent for HD
But I have to say, I disagree with DVDs looking just as good on mid range UHD TVs. I think you'd need a TV like the ZD9 for that. They will look better on a mid range UHD vs a budget UHD one.The ZD9 did a wonderful job of deinterlacing and scaling standard definition images, taking full advantage of the increased processing power and native 4K panel to get the most out of lower resolution content. There isn’t much even the most sophisticated processing can do with some of the highly compressed digital channels but with a good standard definition source like a DVD, the results can be very watchable.
I can't argue with that! From what you and several other respected authorities have been saying, SD material upscaled to a 4K television looks poor, especially a large 4K one!My in laws have two very large tvs. One 75, one 80. I dread to think what SD tv would look on them if they were UHD models.
Well, my parlour is shown in my avatar, but apart from the two bedrooms in my signature, there is this very small bedroom off the kitchen.
dr_jon, interesting read your two posts here, I see you mention your Panasonic, which model is that as you said not an expensive model. CheersI will say good 720p looks excellent on my 4k TV and noticeably better than on my 1080p TV. It also has a good 3D effect (it's 2D, but just looks to have more depth than the 1080p TV). It still looks good up close, provided it's encoded really well. You can sometimes (content depending) see loads more detail on 4k content, but it doesn't add that much to the experience for most things. Of course that's for really good 720p!