BBC Trust report criticises YouView, Freesat and Sky

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    1. hodg100

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      A BBC Trust report lets rip at the corporations investment in YouView, Freesat and Freeview and is also not happy with the amount of money it spends on getting its programming on Sky.

      We're definitely with them on the Sky money and we also sympathise with the view that BT and TalkTalk have effectively hijacked YouView.

      What would the future of YouView and Freesat be without the Beeb and should they be paying Sky nine million pounds, every year, just to get the programmes on the platform?

      They don't pay Virgin!
       
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      "£9 million just to get programmes listed on Sky."
      Ludicrous! Sky should be paying the BBC.
       
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      Maybe I remember wrong; but RE the complaints about investment in (a) Freeview and (b) Freesat...

      Wasn't the BBC pressured to in the case of (a) rescue the terrestrial digital broadcasting platform after the ITVDigital fiasco and (b) to help create an alternative to Sky for those who couldn't receive terrestrial digital which was needed so the government could sell off analogue TV frequencies?

      While it's a small amount; I do think the payment to Sky is ludicrous. The BBC (and the other "public service" broadcasters such as ITV - even though they are commercial ITV, C4 and C5 are separate from other channels) should be getting their details on Sky planner FoC.

      Eloise
       
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      I would like to see a breakdown of these figures.
       
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      Not sure why Freeview is getting lumped in for criticism with the others. I'd say it is a success story - even more so given the fiasco that was "OnDigital".

      It also looks like the Guardian has gone for the sensationalist angle by looking for a criticism to hang the story on. The Trust actually concluded:
       
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      The BBC should stop paying Sky. If Sky dropped their channels, I'm sure the Sky subscribers would soon start complaining...
       
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      ....here here!!
       
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      Absolutely. They should call their bluff. I'd love to see how many Sky customers would jump ship if all of a sudden they lost all the BBC output.

      It is a complete disgrace that licence payers money is being used to line Murdoch's pocket.
       
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      Although I have Sky I watch the BBC Channels on Freeview as they are often at 1080p whereas it's just 720p on Sky. Save the money Auntie Beeb....Sky would soon come crawling back to you....just like they do with ex customers.
       
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      Brookstop; Sky & Freeview HD are both 1080i, no UK broadcasters use 1080P :)
       
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      Correct.
       
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      Totally incorrect actually. The BBC found out a cunning way of getting the Freeview HD platform to do real actual 1080p sometime ago. Whether it looks better or not is another question as the bit rates don't tend to be as high as satellite. But it does have one over the Sky platform in regards that shows have the option of getting transmitted in 1080p, which with the current tech Sky can't do at all (its top setting is 1080i as you have mentioned).
       
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      True, but bear in mind that it is 1080i50 versus 1080p25. This is a pretty tiny difference.
       
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      Virtually all satellite boxes (including Sky ones), are not 1080p compatible. If Sky or any other broadcaster transmitted 1080p no one could view it. 1080p25 (not 1080p50) capability is built in to all Freeview DVB-T2 boxes (the BBC didn't find a way, the boxes were designed in the original spec to support progressive at 25fps), and the broadcast content changes dynamically between interlaced and progressive anyway. In any case where both fields of an interlaced signal are derived from the same image (as in a movie converted from film) there is no difference at all, it's entirely down to how the display de-interlaces the content.
       
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      HD satellite boxes including Sky are capable of decoding and displaying 1080p and have been for years.
      It's a matter of whether or not this is enabled.
      Sky are very conservative about backwards compatibility.
       
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      I was just going off what my Samsung TVs PVR records. Sometimes it says unknown, sometimes 720p and occassionally 1080p. To my eyes, Freeview HD appears slightly sharper and clearer than Sky HD.
       
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      I think we are digressing here.
      If the BBC decided to "jump ship" from Sky it would make almost no difference to most Sky viewers other than be a bloody nuisance. Yes I have Sky but if they did leave I wouldn't suddenly cancel my subscription, I would simply have to watch it on free-view or free-sat, and get another PVR. It would take an awful lot more for most people to leave Sky!!!
       
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      £9 million equates to less than 35,000 subscribers on the minimum package.

      Given that this is a commercial marketplace and there are alternatives such as Virgin then I am sure at least this number of people would swap suppliers rather than be faced with having to purchase and use a second stb in order to view and record bbc channels along with all the inconvenience that would entail.

      The BBC probably welcome the report as it gives them an excuse to play hardball with sky. After all sky would be the only potential losers in the negotiations, the BBC would suffer no penalty if sky dropped its channels.

      There is no way that sky would drop the BBC channels if they refused to pay, it would be handing their competitors a massive extra selling point.

      Freesat is a different issue, its necessary for people in areas with poor terrestrial reception.
       
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      I bought myself a Youview box in RicherSounds and having sorted out my Freeview reception, dumped SKY, so I now watch TV without any subscription. Er, so why is it anyone's fault other than the purchaser if people now fall for BT's or SKY's marketing. You can just buy the box and have that be the end of it. Likewise with Freesat. I think the real issue is why we do not have HD versions of all the FTA channels, esp Ch5 -that annoys me but not enough to turn back into a sucker.
       
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      Have you retuned your YouView box recently? There are now 10 Freeview HD channels (though not Channel 5 HD - yet!). >> Freeview HD <<
       
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      I just checked my HD sat boxes (I have a few)

      DVB-S2 :10-30MS/s(QPSK/8PSK), MPEG4 HD [email protected]
      Video Resolution 1080i, 720p, 576p, 576i. Some will de-interlace and output progressive. None will receive 1080p if there was a suitable source. Certainly none at 28.2E.
       
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      I don't have any kit with [email protected] capability.

      One thing is certain, if Sky boxes do have the capability, then only Sky encrypted HD content could use it. The free to air broadcasters like ITV and BBC couldn't use it.
       
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      The chips and low level drivers are perfectly capable, my point was about support on the system being enabled. The SoCs involved have standard decoder cores and 1080p is included in the testing of the chips and drivers.
      I did software QA on these chips for over six years.
      [edit]Maybe bottom line SoCs like Mstar might not but given the small changes required to the decoder core for 1080p25 I doubt that.[/edit]
       
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      I have two sources of 1080p50. A HD camcorder and a DSLR. I have a few media players, only one will play back H264/AVC 1920 x 1080p at 50 frames/second. Other than direct playback from the original kit it's hard to find a way of playing back edited content. 1080p50 support is not as common as you suggest. Even blu-ray (till a recent upgrade) will only do 1080p24. I have a fairly modern Sony Blu-ray player, it will not play back 1080p50 burnt to a blu-ray blank.

      There is not much to be gained by transmitting 1080p25 so why bother as there is bound to be kit that creates issues. Most think 1080p means 50/60 frames/second anyway.
       
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      No, I am saying the low level features are in the system just the upper level isn't e.g. identifying the use cases.
       
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      Oswald - - thanks - but I retuned before Xmas to get all the new BBC HD channels and Al J etc. It's the others that I had on SKY such as Ch5 HD that are annoying me by their absence.
       
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      Unless you had a paid for subscription card, you would not still get Channel 5 HD, it's no longer Free To View.
       
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      A think thats his point mate, Ch5 ass kissing up to $ky.
       
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      Ch5 HD was never FTA, Sky just included it.
       

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