Discussion in 'Satellite TV, Sky TV & FreeSat' started by DustySox, Sep 14, 2007.
Am I dreaming!!!!
Perhaps I'm being a bit negative but do people really want another dish and another set top box? I'd love HD from both the beeb and ITV but surely they could get rid of some of the poor channels that use up bandwidth and free it up for some quality.
Mind you, we're not even expecting freeview for another 2-3 years in my neck of the woods.
Why do you think it will require more kit? BBC trial is on SKY platform already and Sky now own a % of ITV, so surely some influence must come from that.
If you don't want SKY then this is an alternative option, but I'd be surprised if both channels are not on our EPGs.
Now if there was only something worth watching on itv
Shouldn't you have dropped the i in itv in that statement?
Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought that they were saying that it wouldn't be on sky, but that you'd need a new settop box and a dish on the wall. I therefore assumed that if you already had sky (and a dish), you'd still need another box and another dish. Sorry if I misread it and happy to be corrected
There's already a sizeable thread on this here;
No apology required - I just presented an alternative theory. However given that itv held itv off Sky Digitial for ages its not unrealistic to think you'd need to use an alternative platform.
However given I only watch sport occassionaly on itv I would never invest in kit just for that channel, or pay an additional fee ontop of my Sky subs
I would be amazed if it ended up on a different satellite to the current ones Sky use along with many other non-sky channels as that's a way bigger investment as even sky only rent space on satellites from Astra.
As long as its on the same satellites and therefore requires no additional dish then at worst the channels will be accessible even if it means manual tuning due to certain companies not wanting to stump up for EPG inclusion?
My hope is that BBC/ITV are going to come out with their own £150 hardware package (much like Sky have done with their £150 freesat from sky package) and those that have SkyHD box, Pace (non sky) HD box or other such HD satellite box will just have more HD channels they can tune into.
we will be able to get this via a sky box no problem as mentioned murdoch owns a bit of ITV
all we will have to pay for is to get sky's HD channels as the bbc is free ( obviously via a tv licence)
so ITV will probably show the F1 in HD and what other sports has it got??? err rugby every 4 years
fa cup (from next year)
major international football every two years
And England internationals - they got that the same time as the FA Cup.
I could just about live with it on itv compared to the Beeb if it was HD. I hate ITV sport coverage.
Soaps ie Corrie will get the HD treatment no doubt. Now we needs ch4 and 5 to go HD which should help more to dent Sky's HD crown
Absloutely. More HD the better.
??? Don't understand why this would dent Sky's crown, or why you would want it to?
Sky offer a premium service and its your choice to take it/leave it - they do a good job IMO and long may it continue.
I want to know when itv are gonna start doing SD.
Couldn't agree more. I've had a few moans and grumbles about certain aspects of Sky, but when you think of how they have revolutionised TV over the past 20 years. I couldn't imagine a world without Sky! If I didn't like it, I wouldn't buy it.
And I'll continue to moan and grumble about things I think are wrong, because, as a paying customer, that is my right. And without those of us who complained about the Sports banner repositioning, it would still be in the bottom left of the screen.
What I mean is we deserve a FTA HD channel servce like Oz have had since 2001 on all the main 5 channels, very slowly we are gettig this at last. Hopefully by 2010 we should have got there even then t's not truly FTA thanks to the beeb's license fee
Now how could we get confused between those two names?
Good point! They currently only do CD!! By far the worst quality channel both in terms of picture and content
Although it's good news that itv will be launching a HD channel we shouldn't get our hopes up too much as the bit rate could be really low on itvhd like sky1hd when it first launched. It was hard to tell the difference between sd and HD on sky1HD and smhd2 untill they sorted that out. With the sd channels at the moment itv is one the worst channels for low bit rate. But an itvhd channel will still be better than nothing as the bit rate will then hopefully be up there with the top sd channels.
I think a fair number of channels use the same or very similar bit rate as ITV on sky...only the beeb I think use the full 720 x 576 res
Remember that bitrate is different to resolution.
1920x1080i at 20Mbit = good.
1920x1080i at 10Mbit = not good.
If you want a site that lists most of the channel bitrates and shows you what they've done, have a look here: http://www.linowsat.com/0282/all/0282.shtml
Notice how BBC HD's bitrate has gone down a little in the past year?
Anyway, if you look at that page, ITV1 London averages at 3036kbps (544x576i resolution), and BBC1 London averages at 3469 (720x576i resolution). However, because of that, (and this is my theory - not a proper explanation, lol) it should thereticially be the same average bitrate because the BBC has more pixels. Just like HD is 20Mbit, because it has more pixels.
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