BBC HD on satellite - do I really need Sky?

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  1. ancientgeek

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    I can find no information as to whether the BBC HD trials on satellite will be free-to-air or free-to-view.

    If they are free-to-air, then I won't need a sky HD box or sub. In fact I can cancel my Sky sub and just watch (and record) free-to-air using an open market satellite receiver.

    In view of the complete silence of Sky on the subject of BBC HD, I suspect their proprietary encryption is not being used, and I can get along without Sky's £420 a year minimum subscription to receive HD with recording.

    Anyone know the answer to this? The beeb haven't answered my enquiry yet.
     
  2. Pete Delaney

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    At the moment I think you need to be with Sky, NTL or telewest. Although HD may well be done over the internet by the beeb in the future. Finally there's the HD DVD option once the formats and players are on the market.

    Pete.
     
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    what you will need is a hdtv satellite reciever thats high def, thers not many about at the moment but things will change over the next 18 months as more models are released, thers a pace box coming out also models by qualli and inverto, cost are around £350 at the moment but will get cheaper.
     
  4. Stephen Neal

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    I very much doubt that the BBC will use Sky's encryption system - but would wait until broadcasts actually start before buying anything.

    I suspect that, EPG and interactive text apart, the BBC HD services, like their SD services, will be available on a FTA receiver. I suspect it will need to be MPEG4 and DVB-S2 compatible though - and these aren't widespread yet.

    I suspect most people will go for Sky, as they will get 9 channels rather than just 1 channel offering around 2 hours a day? However if Movies and Sport aren't your thing - I can see why you wouldn't want to subscribe.

    I assume if you don't subscribe to the premium channels you could still get Sky One, Artsworld, Nat Geo and Discovery, as well as the BBC with a Family pack subscription plus £10 for HD, (though you'd need to pay another £10/month for Sky+?) Of course I don't know if you can do this - or if you can only get HD on a full-premium sub.
     
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    Michael Grade was on Radio 4 earlier this week. He said the BBC will use the Sky platform and will be broadcasting in HD within a couple of years......(yes I do mean years....)

    Cheers
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    I think you mean £240 :)
     
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    Ah - you mean I don't have to subscribe to any Sky package at all? That's not how I read the signup page, but maybe Sky can't imagine me signing up for HD without getting any HD channels from them!
     
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    AH so it seems that MPEG4 and DVB-S2 may be the reason the BBC has only mentioned Sky for HD satellite reception. I had been thinking about an Elgato Eyetv 310 which claims HD compatibility, but not DVB-S2.
     
  9. Stephen Neal

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    Technotrend have announced a DVB-S2 PCI card for around 129 Euros. I believe DVB Shop are listing it.

    (Technotrend make some of the Hauppauge DVB cards...)
     
  10. Stephen Neal

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    I suspect there is a subtle nuance between "use the Sky platform" and "broadcast in a manner compatible with the Sky platform". Currently the BBC only really use two aspects of the Sky system - the EPG (which Ofcom regulates) and the OpenTV... interactive engine (which I believe the BBC have to indemnify Sky for, so that they are insured in case they crash our boxes?)
     
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    Unless the BBC are going to charge a subscription why would they use NDS?

    Of the FTA channels only Ch4 and CH5 are encrypted using NDS all the BBC channels are unencrypted.

    (FTA, FTV, whichever; I watch them for free without a card, that's what I mean ;))
     
  12. Stephen Neal

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    FTA = Free to Air - i.e. broadcast unencrypted (BBC, ITV)
    FTV = Free to View - i.e. you don't pay to watch - but they may be encrypted to stop others watching. (C4, Five)
     
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    Thanks, I can never remember the distinction ;)

    I have BBC FTA, ch4 & 5 FTV (got a sky house card).

    Oh, and all the FTV channels via my Dreambox :D :D
     
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