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batman vs batman begins

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by oxygenuk, Oct 24, 2005.

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  1. oxygenuk

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    what do u think?

    i think batman begins is ok but the batmobile is 'what the fudge' material :rolleyes: and the acting isnt as good as in the original batman with keaton and wassis name.

    so my vote goes to the great batman :)
     
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    It was close as these 2 are the best batmans but it has to be the original
     
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    Batman Begins, as it is inspired by Batman Year One, The definitive Batman story! I thought the acting was first class, also we now know where Bruce Wayne got his equipment from. Athough I loved Keatons Batmobile....
     
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    Loved the original Burton film but for me Batman Begins blows even that out of the water. I prefer the gritty realism of the new one. Having said that I bought the dvd of the original on saturday :)
     
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    Batman Begins for me, I loved every second of it. :smashin:
     
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    I liked both movies.However I prefer the Micheal keaton batman and jack as the joker. I thought the villan was weak in batman begins and just not bad enough :eek:

    With any luck the sequle will be better.
     
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    I like both Batman Begins and Batman. Both Micheal Keaton's Batman and Christian Bale's Batman were good, in my opinion. I like the parts where you learn how Batman developed his skills in Batman Begins and this was missing from Batman/Batman Returns/Batman Forever/Batman and Robin.

    I thought the baddies in Batman Begins were weak and let the film down.

    And I also prefer the Batmobile from Batman, however in the next film on from Batman Begins there could be a new batmobile ??
     
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    Batman Begins for me.

    Burtons vision was superb yes, but it didn't stick true with the origins of Batman or the Joker.

    The Scarecrow and Raas Al Gul are actually very tough opponents for Batman, just like they are in the comics, and I think it would have just been too cheesy to introduce The Joker in this movie.

    I think Nolan got it spot on :D I also prefer Christian Bales performance over Keatons, although Keaton was superb!! Christian Bale was just better.

    The supporting cast in BB was also far superior than that of Batman in my opinion, apart from Jack Nicholson and Michael Keaton, the rest of the cast was, hmm, a little poor in comparison to the performances in BB.

    Soundtrack wise, Batman wins hands down, quite an easy contest there :).

    Batmobile, now, this is where things get a little controversial, I LOVED the batmobile in BB, but also LOVED the batmobile in Batman, two very different vehicles.

    I do think the one in BB has the edge though, it just looks plain mean :devil:, whereas the one in Batman was a bit of a pretty boy in comparison :)

    Both superb movies, but I just preferred the more faithful and grittier vision of Nolan :)
     
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    I think Burton's Batman will better stand the test of time. Sure Batman Begins is truly marvellous but look at the crowded market it is launched into. IMHO It will not be remembered as well as the original in the coming years. The original made such an impact when it came out as there was nothing else like it around and it was the first real OTT marketing lead film, who remembers the posters everywhere, the documentaries on telly, the damn Prince music :D , and THE car!
     
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    Begins for me although i love 89 just as much
     
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    This is a tough decision.
    Keaton and Bale are both fantastic in their roles but having Jack on screen means the original wins for me.
     
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    Top post Kazman, I've gotta agree with everything you've said :smashin:
    I think Begins just shades it for me, although after watching the Batman SE over the weekend, I'd forgotten just how good Keaton was. Perhaps the one thing that swings it for me is Bale's physicality, especially the confrontation with Flass. The intimidation in that scene and in particular the "Swear to me...." line really enscapulates everything I feel the character stands for.........
     
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    Er...can I pick Batman Returns?
     
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    No because it's a German Expressionist-influenced, somewhat satiric pulp horror movie....... :hiya:
     
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    But that's partly why I like it so much! :D
     
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    no ;)
     
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    Well fair enough, at least you know what you like ;)
    But no-one is allowed to vote for Batman & Robin because they think it's an hilarious gay romantic comedy. :rotfl:
     
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    :rotfl: never thought about b&r like that but yeah good theory for that film i think :rotfl:
     
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    :rotfl:
     
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    "B.Begins" was a 'proper' movie.
    The original "Batman" was an event, but very shallow.
    No competition, really.
     
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    If by definitive you mean the best Batman story I have to disagree The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller was better although Year One has probably got to be a close second.
     
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    It's sad that none of Miller's recent Bat work has approached either of those :confused:
     
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    Batman Begins by a distance for me because it is the first time (in the movies) that anybody has made Batman real - in all the other movies Batman was a charicature, but BB really fleshed him out, exposes his psychology and his motivation (which was more than just a simple "bad guys killed my parents therefore me kill bad guys whilst wearing a funny animal suit")

    I actually find Burton's original Batman to be too flawed - it looks and sounds great, and Nicholson is awesome, but the story is a bit silly at times and full of plot holes, and the action sequences are very slow and dated.

    I love Elfman's original theme music for Batman, but I don't agree with the criticisms people have made about the BB score - people are on the one hand acclaiming the gritty realism of BB, but then criticising it for not having a grand sweeping comic-book movie score :suicide:
     
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    As I mentioned on another thread, I place Batman Returns and Batman Begins joint first.
    I was slightly disappointed with Batman, especially Kim Basinger's incredibly annoying damsel in distress and Jack's "shooting down of the Batwing with comedy gun" scene.

    But you're all forgetting the one true Batman film from our childhoods; the original "Batman" starring Adam West! :smashin:
    It was on today and I caught the last half hour. Absolutely hilarious, West deserved an Oscar for keeping a straight face saying those lines!
    "Lucky I took that Bat anti-Penguin gas pill!"

    And of course the classic moment when he bravely fought off that fierce-looking shark that had attached itself to his leg, using his handy can of Bat Shark Repellant.... :D
     
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    Batman Begins as the Christian Bales characterisation of batman is more true to the comics. Even though Keaton acted well in the Original, the character is linear. I like both batmobiles the original for originality (excuse the pun!!) The dark knight tank version in BB is awsome. Nicholsons Joker was superb and Ras al Ghul spot on. Enviroments Burtons vision Brilliant. BB more realistic and still v good. Musically Burtons pips the post. To be honest a very close one, but as I mentioned before the vigilante, angry, scare inducing BB is how I always thought batman should be, which Burtons Batman could not produce.
     
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    "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb" :rotfl: :clap:
     
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    The opening titles in Batman ,do it for me everytime ,just ordered the DTS version! :thumbsup:
     
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    BB for me. As has been said it was darker, which I like - so wish there was more of Scarecrow.

    Batman was good for it's time and I would still watch it, but it still hadn't shook off all of the TV series.

    As for Batmobiles
    I still think BB shouldn't of had one at all as it was the early years and stealth mode :rolleyes:
    Batman one was ruined when it needed cables to go around corners :rotfl:
     
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    I saw BB for the first time last night, after realising HMV had the deluxe version for the same price as the normal, plus it was on offer (anyone who's interested it's £12.99 if you spend £30+ on other stuff). I agree with comments about the lack of depth to the bad guys, but thought that Bale's Batman was a good depiction. The parts I didn't like were:

    - Conflict with the original Batman film over who shot his parents
    - Conflict with the original Batman film with the calling card of his next target.
    - Wayne's attempts to build up a playboy image, not in character with the Wayne of the other films (of which, naturally everyone knows there are two, both containing Michael Keaton. Val/George who?? :rolleyes: )

    Music wise, nothing can beat a good Danny Elfman score, even Williams has a job at times in my book. There's something dark about it, especially when allied to Burton's gothic mindscapes, again something that I missed from the film, even though it probably made it feel more real without it.

    I think it's a close call...although for me the original wins because I remember seeing it for the first time all those years ago in wide-eyed amazement. Had I seen BB first, it may be a different story!
     
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    Spot on to the last bit for me! :D BB all the way!

    It didn't help Batman's case that I "hate" Keaton and cannot stand his face, but that's not all. silly screaming Basinger, over the top Nickelson (intended, I know) only added to my dislike. The batmobil however was the only decent one of the 1st 4. remember whassisname Kilmer's with the wobbling fin? ridikulus!
     

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