Bargain Panasonic DVD-R disks - UK £1 each

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  1. andyfr

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    Wasn't sure where to post this so hope this is okay. :)

    PC World have a special offer on Panasonic DVD-R disks at £29.99 for a pack of 20 BUT they also have promotional packs of 20+10. When I took one of these to the checkout it came up at the wrong price but when I showed the guy he agreed that they should be £29.99.

    So get round there before they take the promotional packs off the shelves. :thumbsup:
     
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    That's not a bad deal. If you don't want to buy that many, though, you can get 10 for £9.99 at 7day shop:

    http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=777_6_608

    I've bought a few things through them and they seem quite reliable.

    Panasonic's e-shop has special offers from time to time too. Think they were doing 70 for £50 at one point as a special.
     
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    Does anyone know if the Panasonic DVD-Rs from 7day are 4x speed, as I heard that they are only 2x not so long ago.
     
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    No, 2x speed. But you can buy 10 4x speed DVD-rs from Panasonic direct for £9.99. www.panasonic.co.uk

    Does speed have any relevance if you are only recording video? Is it only for data where speed is relevant?
     
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    You can get 4x Verbatim at 40p each from HERE £10 for a tub of 25 :thumbsup:
     
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    DVD-R's for a £1 each ??!! that's A VERY BAD DEAL. I've been buying packs of 25 for £10 off ebay, even cheaper elsewhere. Never use PC World there prices are not discount just typical high high street prices :-(
     
  7. Kevo

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    Not if you want branded DVD-Rs it isn't.

    £1 a disk for a Pan DVD-R is pretty good.
     
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    I don't know.

    I can normally record video at 2.4x and data at 4x in Easy CD so you may well be right.

    Ive also heard that some 4x cheap brands record at much less than their quoted speeds.

    Can anyone confirm this and does it apply only to DVD-R?
     
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    No how can it be ? When you can buy in bulk branded DVD-R's which work at 45p or less. £1 may have been the price some months or even a year ago but prices are much cheaper now, have a look around but not in PC world
     
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    Have to agree, I buy 25 packs of Ritek Orange (4x) , DataWrite V3 (4x) from www.ukdvdr.co.uk for about £7 a pack. Ritek G04 disks are excellent quality and work in every machine I try (I use then in my Panasonic E30 and PC) and they play back in everything including a very fussy DELL laptop.

    Some of the reviews on www.dvd-recordable.org suggest Bulkpaq 8x make recordings on a par with branded Pioneer disks, ie they produce perfect read figures at 10 speed.

    The days of "cheap" disks producing duff results (like the old Bulkpaq purples etc) are long gone, thank goodness.

    Cliff
     
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    The next price drop will be with dual layer DVD's. Still expensive at the moment :-(
     
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    I wouldn't expect a suddent dramatic drop as we saw with single layer disks. The fact is DVD+R DL require an advanced, highly accurate production process. The majority of our single layer media comes from mass production plants in China - these plants will not easily be able to adapt to dual layer disks. Accordingly dual layer DVDRs will come solely from the production lines of companies such as Verbatim, Maxell and other major brands. Whilst there will still be competition it will not be as fierce so we can all expect to pay a premium for the time being. Prices WILL fall but IMHO we will still be paying around £5 a disk by Christmas. TBH though that seems a fair price to me.

    Certainly a comment from Tim Clatterbuck, product manager for DVD media at Verbatim, is that they foresee "the price of double-layer discs remaining significantly higher than single-layer ones" in the longterm:
    http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/10141
     
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    It's the longevity of these 'branded' DVD-Rs that concerns me.

    It's obviously early days yet but when it comes to archiving home video recordings i'm willing to to pay £1 a disk for the likes of Panasonic, TDK, Verbatim, Fuji etc as opposed to the 'cheaper' ones available .

    They've been reliable brands in the past for other media so I'll stick with them.
     
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    Kevo

    Using this type of media for long term storage worries me full-stop.

    I had an old pack of Bulkpaq DVD-R on a spindle. I was going to bin them but I thought I would leave them on the window sill to see what effect the sun had on them. :smoke:

    A couple of weeks (probably months) later I look at the disks. The sun has "got into" the edge of the disks and the disks are now completely clear for the first inch that was facing the sun. The recording material had disappeared :thumbsdow

    The "purple" organic material they use for recording like all organic materials fades in sunlight. So if you stick them in a nice clear "jewel" case and store them proudly in a glass cabinet and although we are not talking "direct sunlight" (unless the sun beams in through the window into you cabinet) how long are we talking before the sun attacks the outer edge and the coating fades to the point it can't be read?

    There is a reason they say store them in a humidity controlled darked environment to get the claimed 30 year life span and they ain't kiddin :lesson:

    I don't imagine that branded disks are any better at resisting sunlight than "cheaper" branded ones (though I would be happy to be proven wrong) and this is what we are talking about when we say "longevity". I have used many of these cheaper disks and up to now they have stayed the course, but they are only a year old and are stored in a "400 pocket wallet" which is zipped shut.

    Just for a laugh and for you own peace of mind try a little experiment, record something onto a branded and a cheaper Ritek disk. Turn them both face up and place on a nice sunny window sill. Try playing on a daily basis to see which fails first. I would be interested to know :)

    Most of the reviews concentrate on the quality of the recording, in other words the reflective quality and how easily they can be read at high speed. For most people this is useless, they only ever play them at single speed so who cares they read perfectly at 10x!

    An interesting test would be how long they survive under a UV lamp and can still be read :)

    I expect over the years that films I have recorded from the TV etc will simply refuse to play and I will have to do them again. I think it is the nature of the beast and any family footage you have that you don't want to loose I would make several copies and hide them away in the bottom of a darkened cupboard and keep a copy on tape just to be sure. :lesson:

    Cliff
     
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    Apparently DVD-RAM has the best longevity & reliability:

    http://www.dvd-recordable.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1325

    I am thinking about storing most of my stuff on RAM anyway because this is the only way I can still high speed dub etc after writing the disc using my E85 (dont have a PC DVD burner at the moment). Trouble is that the cheapest RAM seems to be about £3 per disc from Panasonic...
     
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    Can't argue with that DVD-RAM whips all other formats if you ask me.

    I'm coming round to the idea that just buying an extra external IDE disk is just as cost effective. 250GB in external box (about £200) which should hold about the same as 50 DVD-R disks at £4 each which is £200! Drop the external case you get the disk for £140 and are quids in.

    The cheapest way to backup a 250Gb hard disk....another 250GB hard disk

    I see my DVD collection as a temp measure. When 1000GB drives appear in a year or two, I'm sticking 4 in a box in the attic with a wireless card and copying all my films onto it. A Media PC or laptop next to the TV will pipe it through for me. Ah bliss....

    Cliff
     
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    Thanks for posting the link to the whitepaper on DVD-RAM.

    o CDR has had issues with media quality
    o DVDR lesser so - more compatibility than outright "lose data in months"

    However, little is ever commented on about DVD-RAM media experience.

    Theoretically DVD-RAM is much closer to magneto optical:
    o Managed defects
    o Phase change media

    Indeed DVD-RAM is as much a development of Panasonic's PD
    drive technology - perhaps best forgotten as very overpriced,
    whilst similarly (diabolically :) slow for backup purposes.

    Q: Anyone any bad experiences with DVD-RAM media?

    Mac crowd generally find it ok re Apple bundling DVD-RAM with
    their early machines. Cheap PC drives (LG-4082B) require you to
    break the disk out of the protective case unfortunately, with the
    Panasonic desktop drive overpriced (well seemingly so since the
    slimline version isn't much different in price & more useful for some).

    Reason I ask is it would allow final migration & disposal of 3.5"-MO:
    o Great reliability, great speed, diabolical availability of media
    o Expensive drives, and recently media quality has gone variable

    All my old media is fine, the problem is DVD-RAM/DVD has forced MO
    to drop in price to be competitive, yet volume isn't very economic.
    o BASF recalled a pile of media due to production errors
    o Phillips had media with 5um defect on it
    o Fujitsu shipped 1.3GB media factory-missformatted
    ---- same error at every point on every single disk
    o Sony shipped dud 540MB media last summer
    ---- XP locks up with code 9s in the Event Viewer, bad block
    ---- some eventually formats with bad clusters

    A backup is only as good as the media & uniformity of drive spec
    in terms of recording (many may recall early DAT where alignment of
    a drive let alone format compatibility could be "drive specific").

    Video is more tolerant of errors, and both DAT/DVD came from that
    end (although PD the earlier DVD-RAM technology was data only IIRC).

    I've used Panasonic media only, but want more than one source.
    Got stung on TDK CDR blue, which some may recall varied in source
    from month to month - one was great, other held data like a sieve :)

    Re data backup HD v DVD-RAM...
    o Try and break your data-set up into critical & lesser-critical
    ---- critical can go on expensive-but-most-reliable media
    ---- lesser-critical can go on less-expensive-but-duplicated media
    o Most reliable backup system is that...
    ---- 1) actually used
    ---- 2) actually replaced as new technologies move the economics
    o With respect to 2) so near-line storage as backup is booming
    ---- cheap big drives are good for backup
    ---- USB interface proven at least for backups

    USB is flaky compared to Firewire & probably SATA in that it is
    not a 100%-detect-drive every time thing, but it is improving there.
    Early implementations of it weren't great, the 76MPX chipset from
    AMD even implemented it so badly a separate USB2.0 card was included.

    A colleague did some (unusual) testing of data-backup:
    o Did some rough-handling, drop-testing of various media types
    o The data showed that the shock benefits of 2.5" over 3.5" were slight
    ---- basically in typical drop heights, neither would fare well
    ---- based on actual G over a 1msec or more realistic 11msec period
    o Sticking either drive in a simple shockabsorbing box worked well
    ---- either original drive foam or a cheap pelicase turned 225G into 17-40G

    So buying a 2.5"-USB solution, particularly if several are needed re
    total capacity, for shockproofing doesn't gain you a great deal vs cost.
    Cheap 3.5" enclosures do exist on Ebay, for not much more & cool better.

    Backup & verify time on a 9.4GB DVD-RAM is... painful... :)
    With 1TB 3.5" within 18 months, we're back to floppy-syndrome again.

    I guess the best people to ask re DVD-RAM experience would be the
    data-gathering broadcast lot, their kit often has DVD-RAM or DVD-RAM
    with HD available and it gets handled by territorial gorilla's.

    DVD-RAM drives are cheap enough to have 2, so if one fails you can
    rely on the other and verify media readability between the two drives.
    Leadtime on Fujitsu 3.5" MO is around 7-10wks if Insight are O.O.Stock,
    that makes "data-restore time" & "availability" somewhat interesting.
     
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    Attics can reach 165oF, might be an idea to find somewhere else :)
    Either that or you are USA with a Whole House Fan fitted.

    1000GB sounds a lot, but many people have enough audio to fill that.
    Data Warehousing with NCQ SATA drives (and driver/OS support) will
    also find it useful, as data seems to expand to fill any capacity.
     
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    Point taken maybe the attic is a bad choice, the garage is probably a better choice in my house. Easier to keep an eye on too.

    I have 500 CD's and probably as many DVD's, so I'm working on 400GB for my music collection (uncompressed) and 2TB for my current DVD's (expanding all the time...)

    Don't have to worry about backup I have all the disks to start with :thumbsup:

    It can't be too long before 500GB drives appear and 1TB is the next step...

    Cliff
     
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    Garage is a common choice, higher capacities here quite soon.

    They will move capacities higher to differentiate against 2.5" desktop
    drives, basically introducing more segmentation into the marketplace.
     
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    DVD-Ram is £1.49 if you use the Smart Buy media. I've got some, works as well as Panasonic stuff.
     
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    why not wait 5 years and you'll be able to keep 1000gb hard drives on your keyring :p
     
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    Where is the best place to try this smartbuy media? Is there somewhere I can order a small volume to try it out?
     
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    Checking broadcast AV crowd whose equipment often uses DVD-RAM, it
    seems to get the all-clear except where rough handled (breakage) etc.

    It's a pity more drives aren't "cartridge-compatible", such as the cheap
    LG4082B v overpriced Panasonic. The L4082B requires the disk to be
    removed, and a lot of the reliability comes from having that cartridge.
    For archiving though, with care I suspect it's a moot point. I have
    opened freshly-sealed shuttered-media to see dust plainly sitting on it.

    Guess it's thrash some media n see. Hmm, swapfile to DVD-RAM anyone? :)))
     

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