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Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Tim Cooper, May 10, 2003.

  1. Tim Cooper

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    Chaps,
    My question is this, what other mods extras or otherwise can i bolt onto my Barco Graphics 808s now? or would i be better off looking at a 9 incher (oo-err missus:devil: ) say a 1209s?
    Having never seen a 1209s in action i can't comment on it's PQ so i also ask, does the 1209s warrant the extra money over a well set-up 808s?
    I do appreciate that the 1209s is expensive (to buy & to buy parts for if it go's wrong) but it could give me something to aim for in the future....unless of course someone wants to swap mine for a 1209s:devil:
    What do you think.
    Cheers.
    Tim:smashin:
     
  2. Tim Cooper

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    42 views & no comments, has everyone gone over to bulb pj's?
     
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    Hope not mate. CRT FP blows away LCD PJ's. :)

    Have you got a doubler/quadrupler?
     
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    1209s is a superior image to 808. No question. Go see one. If you can also get filtered red c-elements for 1209s.

    Gordon
     
  5. Paul D

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    Tim
    I'm having a full demo of a 1209s this friday.
    I have a Barco 808s at the moment, so it will be good to see the difference liquid coupling makes and 8" versus 9" etc.
    It has brand new tubes and all glass lenses so should be very very sharp!
    I'm also demoing Hi-Def in both 1080i and 720p, using the JVC D-theater machine.
    I just feel i've gone as far as i can with my 808s as well.
    I do feel my 808s is sharp enough, but the slight haloing around bright objects can soften or wash out subtle dark shades etc.
    I was looking at using a Lumagen Vision scaler with the 1209s as a cheaper option. But reading up on the new HD Leeza makes me feel the extra outlay for the Leeza would be a better option.

    Ie
    DVD player with SDI
    to
    HD Leeza
    to
    1209s Via RGBHV

    JVC D-Theater Hi-Def 1080i or 720p
    to
    HD leeza (or direct to 1209s with Hi-Def upgrade card)
    to
    1209s Via RGBHV

    HTPC Via DVI
    to
    HD Leeza
    To
    1209s Via RGBHV

    SKY+ Via SDI
    to
    HD Leeza
    to
    1209s Via RGBHV

    Controllable inputs and aspects via the Leeza etc

    Seems my ideal setup

    Any thoughts?

    I will post back with my findings...
     
  6. Tim Cooper

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    Thanks for the replies chaps i was beginning to think that everyone had migrated to the LCD forum:D

    Gordon:What exactly are c-elements? i appreciate that the 1209 is a 9 inch unit but i'm more interested in the law of dimishing returns, is the upgrade subtle or is it a giant leap over & above what i already have, & where do i demo a 9inch unit no one i know apart from Jeff (y) & Stuart (spectre).

    Nathan:I'm using a HCPC running @ 720p (tripled) 72hz NTSC & 75 for PAL, the PJ was calibrated by Roland & gives a superb picture for the money, yes i would like a 1209 & a Leeza or equivalent but can't afford it:(

    Paul:How goes it m8 long time no hear from:)
    Please do report back your viewing experiences i'd be interested to know if the 1209s is worth the extra dosh over the 808s.
    Oh if you do get this setup can i have your job please:D

    Am i correct in assuming that the 1209 family uses MEC tubes &
    so are rebuildable, or is there a 9 inch equivalent to the Barco Graphics 808s.
    Fanks.
    Tim.:smashin:
     
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    Tim,

    Roland is fitting coloured c elements on my 1209s very soon, you are welcome to come and have a look. I'm in Basingstoke (down the M3 between London and Southampton).

    Jeff
     
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    Hi Tim
    I understand that the "C" elements are a coloured lense that fits between the CRT face and the normal lenses etc.
    They are used for colour correction.
    CRT tubes aren't always spot on at giving perfect hues of the choosen colour, ie reds may lean more towards orange for example.
    The colour correction tries to fix this, but it is at the expense of some light loss.
    Areas that i hope going to a 9" from a 8" will improve is sharpness at higher resolutions, ie Hi-Def etc.
    Second the 1209s has liquid coupled lenses, which has the effect of stopping halo-ing around bright objects and nearly doubling the perceived contrast ratio. Again this can add much more punch to the image.
    Speaking to the people in the know, i get the impression that if i'm not happy with a sorted 1209s then i will never be happy!. (that is apart from if i've seen a properly set up Cine9!)
    I feel fitting the c-elements won't spoil the brightness for me as my 8" is plenty bright enough already.
    I'm finally having a proper screen installed, which should help no end!
    But like you, i'm always wary about the law of dimishing returns, so the up coming demo should prove useful.

    (By the way i'm not suddenly rich, i'm just taking advantage of some spare money from the sale of my late fathers house :( That's why i've been very quiet of late etc )
     
  9. Tim Cooper

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    Jeff:
    Thanks for the offer just tell me when it's convienient for you i'll be there.

    Cheers again Paul

    Tim
     
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    Lets set a date after Roland has been, it should be about a week, but I'm not sure if its going to take a couple of visits this time. The C-lenses are fitted to the tubes themselves, Roland has already fitted these to a couple of CRT tubes (Red and Green) which will replace mine. I've been using a plastic red filter for many months now and the improvement is immediately noticable. With the right film I can tell the difference between a corrected 1209s and an uncorrected one without even doing an A/B comparison, I can tell straight away.
     
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    Hi Jeff
    Did you ever change your greyhawk screen?
    I saw the difference the red gel sheets made to the 1209s at the Manchester show.
    Roland had just rigged up a temporary stick on job, but it showed the potential.
    If my demo proves the 1209s if worth the extra money, it will be actualy the last bit of my upgrade!
    The reason behind this will be to what gives me benefit with the gear i already have.
    Ie until i get the screen sorted, i won't be getting the best out of any projector etc.
    So i intend to upgrade in this order:-
    Screen
    Scaler
    JVC Hi-Def
    SDI DVD
    Projector
    Sound system!

    I found my interest in HC waining over the last year, but of late it's back with a vengeance!
    So Gordon/Roland/Henry you have been warned, switch off your phones :smashin:
     
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    Yes, still have the grayhawk and if Gordon ever finds my missing serial number I might get to change it ;) Actually I still think it works remarkably well, normally a grayhawk would be too dim, but not a 9" CRT 72" diagonal screen. Its simply a case of priorities at the moment. It will be nice to get a boost as the tubes brightness levels go down.
     
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    Sorry I've had computor problems but I seem to be back now.

    Jeff your tubes are settled in nicely we need to set a date give me a call. It will still take two visits to get an ultimate set up on your machine.

    Tim I always have a 1209s sitting around if you need a demo

    Paul I hope I have't blown it
     
  14. Tim Cooper

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    Thanks Roland i didn't like to ask as i'm in no position to buy one ATM.
    Roland does the 1209s do everything my 808s does?
    Does the 1209s do component,does it have scheimflzdquophg :D adjustment etc etc?
    Cheers.
    Tim.
     
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    I couldn't resist the urge and upgraded a perfectly good 808 in favour of a 1609s. It was notecibly sharper & brighter, especially having new tubes, glass lenses and the benefit of colour correction which made a big difference. A D-VHS player should be considered compulsory with these units. Incredible.

    Go on, upgrade. You'll never be happy untill you do! ;)

    Rob.
     
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    All the Barco "s" versions do component video. You will have to upgrade the decoder circuit if you want to do much more than progressive scan. All the 1209s and 1609s have diagonal optical Focussing (schiemflug, after the professor who invented it)
    There are several choices in lenses HD120 and HD300 are best for home cinema size screens the HD 180 probably won't go down small enough. limit of about 2.5m
    If you ever find a set of HD10L's Jeff want's them
     
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    Tim,

    You might wanna pop up to Milton Keynes to see what I have got plugged into my 808s :smashin:

    One of Roland's 1209 Customers went home very sad... :rotfl:
    and believe me this customer knows his AV Stuff as it's his business.

    Neil.
     
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    Neil,
    Welcome back:D
    I'd love to come to yours & take a gander if/when it's convenient for you.
    I've got a severe case of upgradiitis & no cash to so :(
    Nice to hear from you m8ty cya soon.
    Roland,
    Thanks for the info, i've been swotting up checking specs etc i'll know more than you soon......NOT.....:rotfl: :D :devil:
    Fanks.
    Tim
     
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    Tim, PM me some dates and we can go from there. As usual you bring the beers...

    Neil.
     

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