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Barco CINEVERSUM online

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Steven, Jan 29, 2002.

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  1. Steven

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    Any idea how much it will cost, including the switchbox?

    Thanks - Paul
     
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    I'll guess first, £15K.
     
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    Last I heard that would get you PJ and Plasma and distrib box. waiting for firm pricing.

    Barco have also put their LimoPro in a stand alone box VSE60
    Which then gives double triple and quad output.
    x2 composite inputs, x2 svideo x1 RGB and x1 component video.
    Price TBA
     
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    I commend Barco for continuing with CRT while many, including Sony, have all but given up the ghost with CRT production and are concentrating on 'easy sell' higher profit display devices such as DLP's.
    However, regarding their Versum (is this Latin for Texas Instruments) 80, I wish they wouldn't follow others with these crazy stated contrast ratio figures.
    The published 1100-1 contrast ratio is absurd. If I'm proven wrong, I will order the skip now for my Barco 808s CRT.

    Eric
     
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    The published contrast ratios for light bulb projectors is full on/off, like it or not this method of measurement has become the industry standard. It would be folly for Barco to publish ANSI CR specs. I applaud Barco for engineering a product that is quite different from the others, having a separate video processor is definitely the way to go.

    Jeff
     
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    I see, perhaps you can explain how manufacturers such as Panasonic have come up with a 3000-1 contrast ratio for a plasma.

    Eric
     
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    Firstly, I dont see what is so unique. Secondly, yes, a separate video proccessor is a good idea provided that its performance is relative to its price.
    I dont want to jump the gun here but If Barco's internal proccessors are anything to go by, performance will in no way compare well with the money Barco charge.
    Lets wait and see.

    Eric
     
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    I have no idea about the plasma since I don't care for them much, but if KBK can get 1200:1 + out of a LT150 it shouldn't be too difficult for Barco to achieve 1100:1. As for what is so special, for starters the array of inputs, how many other projectors support SDI? Also if you already own a scaler such as a Rock you don't want to pay again for equal/inferior functionality.

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    Some Japanese manufacturers such as Sony, NEC, Mitsubish have not given up their CRT production at all.

    In fact, Barco uses NEC oem crts and c-drive chipsets.
    And Madrigal, they use Sony's.

    Remember Barco CineVision 800 ?? and remember how this had been awarded for 2 years in a row?
    This model is exactly same as NEC 9PG.

    Basically, CRT manufactuers such as Barco and Madrical are "still" Japanese OEM.
     
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    Lets get a few things staight here what Uncle Eric means they have stopped producing a complete CRT product. the actual tubes will continue untill the market no longer supports that part of the inductry. CRT projectors have a high level of human build and testing in the Manufactureing process making them difficult to be profitable for the mass production markets. Barco have only ever concetrated on Nich markets once it explodes to mass production they walk away. (multistandard TV, LCD projectors, CRT projectors are typical examples)

    Too many wrong things here to argue.
    The Cine vision 800 must have passed me by. At no stage was the 9PG badged by Barco.

    Barco are a Belgium comapany and make all of their projectors them selves (forget the BG4000 LCD -they try to, too) BARCO Belgium American Radio COporation.

    Madrical range are highly reworked VDC/Christi/Electrohome and made in the States.
     
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    I have further information, these prices have not be made offical yet and WILL be rounded up and down but here are the bones.

    Cine Versum 80 projector £7680 +vat
    Cine Versum 50 Plasma £8995 + vat
    Cine versum Master £5120 +vat

    Composite/S video/Component inputs £320 + vat
    RGB £320 +vat
    DVI £640 +vat
    SDI £640 + vat
    HDSDI £960 + vat
    Fire Wire £640 +vat

    Talk of a TV tuner with teletext

    Lamps will be 2000hrs (no price yet)

    Longest run for from Master to projector/plasma etc is 40m

    The processor box is coming from the same team as the Digital Cinema divison so this will be good. Also bare in mind how long this projector has been coming. Barco tend not to make "me too boxes"

    Oh God I've just realised, I'm defending a DLP product.:eek:
    But hey CineMax will still be brighter:devil:
     
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    Spot On. Sony have stopped making complete machines for a while now.
    In fact, once you take a few odd ones out of the equation, such as Dwin and a few others, most roads lead to Barco anyway.
    For example, most of the Runco range of projectors are Barco.
    The new Zennith 1200 pro is a Barco.
    I would take a gamble now that Barco, in the not to distant future, will be the one and only CRT manufacturer left.

    Oh oh, the Ellie boys have just given me odds.

    Eric
     
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    Er the Ellie is made in India in a factory owned by......................................................BARCO!

    No that doesn't mean the Ellie is a Barco. Its basedon an RCF chassis.

    bit like all the Morris Oxfords are still made out there.
     
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    Roland,
    I once had a chat with somebody who mentioned Italy as the source of origin for Ellie. India makes more sense.

    "Morris Oxford" .........The young ones out there could think this might be a proffessor called Morris who lectures at Oxford. Roland is refering to a car (and showing his age :eek: )

    Dont worry Roland, my first car was an Austin Cambridge.
    No REALLY. Reg No was 30 RKO, wish I had that plate now.

    Eric
     
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    Roland,
    By the way, this Cine 9 thats come from nowhere looks very much like the Cinemax. Have they just changed names (and prices) or am I seeing things.

    Eric
     
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    My understanding is the Ellie is made in India for Maxivideo who are an Italian company.
     
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    Sounds very much like Spaghetti Bolognaise Tandori. Stringy but spicy .

    Eric
     
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    The Cine 9 is a Cine MAX.
    It was based on the Simulation Barco Reality 909

    Having produced a Cine 5,6,7 & 8 every one guessed it would be a 9.

    The Belgiums are renown for their humour :clown:

    There has never been a Cine 9
     
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    Roland,

    The Barco website doesn't mention Cinemax any more! It is actually now called Cine 9.

    I think the Belgiums are trying to keep us confused !!!!!
     
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    So they do, more humble pie. :blush:

    that's Belgium humour for you.

    Tom Vanturne (HT product manager) was talking on AVS about the CineMax last week I'm sure.
     
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    Roland,
    A week in CRT is a long time.
    Its like seven single bulb years:mad: :D :mad:

    Eric
     
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    Roland, you didn’t tell us you’d retired?
     
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    ?????????? I haven't retired it just takes a long time to get up in the morning. (especially if the nurse is late).:p

    I now have the story on the Cine 9 / Max. It seems there is a Cinema chain in Germany called Cine Maxx. It all got too confusing for the Belgiums/Germans. so it went back to Cine 9
    Presumably someone ordered a CRT projector and got a 10 screen cinema instead.

    My spies say it will change again ;)

    What ever you call it, budget apart, it is still the best projector on the planet.
     
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    Cine Maxx...still enough difference to me... if they begin like that, even Cinema XXX can go to court :D
     
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    I bet flesh tone detail is important to them!
     
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    Back to the Versum DLP lovers... ;)

    I've been taking a look at the website and details of this PJ. Jeff mentioned this unit had SDI? Is this Barco's proprietary cable connection? Am I thinking right, that you can use a different scaler to save you going for the Barco unit? i.e. a pc or Rock / Vigatec etc?

    Thanks
     
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    My understanding is that the DLP will not work without their Cineversum controller. I also believe they use their own proprietry digital signal between the two.

    I was speaking with Mark Anderson about this product and availability a few days ago and he said it would be shown to public and dealers for first time at Cedia in mid June in Brighton.

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    That is not good.

    What about all the guys with Snell & Wilcox, Rocks, Vigatec, Faroudja etc? Another video processor required, and this will probably stop them from even looking at this pj.
     
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